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I want to know about amplifers for my CB radio, I understand they are illegal but to what degree? Can I use one to bring in distant signals but NOT to transmit or is that illegal as well? If so what are they called and where would a person be able to find one.

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You want a preamp, but I doubt there's one for CB - it would have to switch itself out on transmit or you'd blow it out the first time you pressed the mic button.

However ... if you can only hear the distant signal using a preamp, he can't hear you without using one also. If you improve your antenna, you'll improve both receive and transmit ranges.

Oh ... the degree to which it's illegal to transmit more than 4 watts at the antenna jack on CB is a $10,000 degree of illegality (that's the maximum fine - per violation).
 

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But if me an whoever I'm talking to both have a recieve preamp then we don't need to amplify our TX right. I'm not sure if that $10,000 thing applies to Canada though.
 
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mark2117 said:
. . I'm not sure if that $10,000 thing applies to Canada though.
No, In Canada they just send you to Saskatchewan!:twisted:

Unless you are from Newfoundland, then they leave you there!:lol: :lol:
 

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Since CB (27mhz) operates in AM or AM-SSB mode, the noise present in the back ground is many times worse than with an FM receiver and is many times more suseptable. External RECEIVER preamps are quite legal but are not that effective on CB equipment because they hardly improve the signal to noise ratio. They amplify everything that the radio would normally receive including the noise that affects the receiver. External amplifiers for TRANSMITTING are usually refered to as Linear Amplifiers and require a certain power level from a stock radio to develop a gain in it's transmitted output. These are illegal, although many truckers use them at 100 to 500 watts and more... don't get caught using one... the laws ARE enforced and the fines and jail time are substantial.

Your best bet would be to look into a radio that has a Noise Blanker AND an Automatic Noise Limiter such as the Cobra 29 WXNWST or similar. These circuits look at the type of noise spikes coming into the radio, invert it 180 degrees out of phase, add it to the original noise signal and it effectively cancels out the worst noise spikes, but not all. However, they are much better than radios that have neither. Getting rid of noise enhances the radio's chances of receiving more distant transmissions.
 
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Hi Mark and all,

We all know about "leenyars" so let's concentrate on receive preamps. 10M amplifiers are available both in shack and mast mounted but it's doubtful if you really need one. Since there still is plenty of background atmospheric noise at that end of the HF spectrum about all you may acomplish is raising both signals and noise. Today's CB receivers have good, low noise front ends (unless you have some cheap POS) and it's my experience they can hear stations that can't hear you.

If you want to increase your transmit and receive range look into a beam up as high as practical, it's perfectly legal and cuts out a lot of QRM too. Just don't get carried away, once I saw what might qualify as The Redneck (CB) Yard Of The Week. Picture a 100' tower topped with a Moonraker 6 next to what can best be described as a hillbilly shack with a rusted out Ford pickup parked in the yard surrounded with the usual junk. "Kin ya hyar me now y'all?" (;->)
 

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I, as usual have to agree with Warren. If you amplify the receive, you amplify your noise. So, your noise floor is going to raise just as much as the signal you are trying to hear. Even a 60' additional elevation above ground is going to do more than a preamp is going to do for you. The directional antenna will also be a fine investment.
 

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If you live in the United States, it is specifically written in Part 95.

Subpart D Sec. 95.413 Sub section (9)

You may not: communicate with, or attempt to communicate with, any CB
station more than 250 kilometers (155.3 miles) away;
 

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What RevGary said!

"Back in the day" of $20 CB lic. fees, the FCC reportedly made so much money with people buying radios, sending in fees, (55 mph speed limit instituted), that the FCC literally didn't know what to do with all of it. So, rather than police 27MHz, they decided to use the windfall of funding to clean up broadcast radio, PS radio, and other services. Consequently, very few, other than the most blatent CB interference issues (numerous complaints from same area, complaints from commercial communication services about a specific operator/station etc) are acted upon. It usually involves multi-thousand watt txmtrs, profanity, antenna height violations, and all the scum issues of the broadcast spectrum. Basically, CB was openly allowed to become the neighborhood where even the cops would not go.

It's still somewhat useful on the highway for short range distances in some areas (away from metro populations) if you can put up with the "ex del" but for hobbiests the limit is more likely to be 20-50 miles (on a quiet evening) in a rural area depending on atmospheric/electromagnetic conditions...on a good day. Yet, CB is more current than a scanner. The two can be synergistic...just not on a holiday weekend, interstate grid lock due to an accident...which remains similar to a congressional committee meeting...all talk with no one listening...same questions over and over...same answers--some right some not...followed by more of the same questions just asked...and so it goes.

The linear amp. pre-amp amplifies everything so it's not selective for the signal you're trying to hear. You might as well just turn up the vol on the radio...same result. ANL's and NB's might activate filters that eliminate certain frequencies. These may or may not be the freq of the noise so the filters may or may not improve reception. Couple that with the fact that human hearing deteriorates over time and certain frequencies drop out and no amount of pre-amp will help hear a frequency that is no longer receivable (theoretically, anyway). Shooters (un-protected), musicians, boom boxers, etc will lose more frequencies at earlier ages as well.

CB is a frequency spectrum that collects gobs of reception of all kinds. Unfortunately, only a small portion is what we're trying to hear. An in line device might be helpful to add to the overall volume capability of the radio but eventually, the quality of the speaker will come into play as it's power handling limits are reached/exceeded and the sound eminating therefrom is distorted.

In the 36 years I've had radios with all kinds of gadgets installed, clipped, tweaked, and tuned, very little helps for very long and not always. Most of the help provided can be attributed to the placebo effect...you spent the money and time doing it so it "must" be helping! Save your money and just turn up the volume.
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my kind of subject


as with anything you get what you pay for make shure your antenna can handle the power you are running and make shure there is good ground plane

if you want to talk to some really smart guys try this site: http://www.cbradioforum.com/

they dont bash ur questions and will help you anyway they can

unlike SOME of the hams and others on this forum


im here to stick up for the cb community

im not cb rambo its just a hobby i dont go around snipping people and **** like that it just pisses me off when everyone bashes cbers

if you have any questions let me know
 

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From the song: Everybody must get stoned, err, bashed...
It's part of life in message forums and groups. :wink:
 
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