The Ohio DMR MARC Statewide Tytera MD-380 Codeplug Project

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wolverine

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Purpose: The purpose of this project is to provide Ohio DMR MARC user’s with codeplug programing offering true statewide interoperability. One codeplug, one radio, for the entire state of Ohio.

What can I do to help: That’s a great question. This will have to be a community effort. I do not have the logistical resources to travel the entire state of Ohio to confirm if repeater’s are online and find their exact location. By the member’s of the DMR MARC community, in the state of Ohio providing information. this project will be a success. If you know a repeater listed below is on the air and operational, please post in this forum and advise me. Please only post if you have actually confirmed by making on the air contacts on the repeater in question.

Provide the exact location of the repeaters: Why is this important?

That’s a great question. Let’s take for example, the CFMC DMR repeater in Zone 4, frequency 443.400. In the DMR MARC database, this repeater is listed as being in Cincinnati, OH. While this repeater is technically located in the Cincinnati metropolitan area, it is not located in the city of Cincinnati. It’s actual location is in Greenhills, OH on a tower with the antenna, 735 feet in the air.

Why is this a problem?

Because in an effort to cut down on confusion and provide a more user friendly and enjoyable DMR experience in the state of Ohio, it is important to know the exact location of the closet repeater. For example, if your on a handheld radio and your located in Hamilton, OH while trying to access a repeater in Cincinnati, OH. You are going to experience issues with your signal, not alway’s getting into the system. This will cause confusion and aggravation and serves to only take away from the DMR experience.

Now let’s say that every repeater listed below, is labeled by the correct and exact location of the city. Your in Hamilton, OH which would put you in zone 4, you go through the list of available repeaters and instead of Cincinnati being labeled, you find the correctly labeled Greenhills site. Wait a sec, Greenhills is right up the road!, I’ll go into that repeater and now your in the system, perfect signal.


My fellow DMR MARC community member’s, I don’t have the logistics to complete the project on my own. I need your help in confirming this data is correct, the repeater’s are confirmed operational, and most important of all, the exact city in which the repeater is located. If a repeater is labeled to be in Dayton but It’s actual location is Tipp City, then that repeater’s information in Zone 4 needs to be corrected to show it being the Tipp City site, not Dayton.

Once this project has been completed, the Tytera MD-380 codeplug file will be available for anyone who wishes to receive it. It is my sincere hope that we inspire other amateur radio operators to do the same in their respected states, creating statewide codeplugs.

Thank you to all those who will contribute to this project by reading this forum, following the project, and providing information.
 
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Each county belongs to a Zone. In the radio's menu, Zone 1 would include every repeater located in every county in that entire Zone. When someone is traveling from one Zone into another, they can switch to the Zone they are in and choose from the nearest repeater.
 
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These are the zones. The repeater information in this list is provided by the DMR MARC database. To date, I've only been able to correctly identify the exact location of one repeater and correct the city's name for that repeater. This would be the Greenhills site, located in Zone 4.

ZONE 1: NORTHWEST

BUCYRUS 443.875 Color Code 1

COLUMBUS GROVE 444.300 Color Code 1

TOLEDO 444.850 Color Code 1

TOLEDO 446.125 Color Code 1

SANDUSKY 444.7375 Color Code 7

SIDNEY 443.900 Color Code 1



ZONE 2: NORTHEAST

ANDOVER 444.250 Color Code 1

ATWATER 443.975 Color Code 7

ATWATER 444.300 Color Code 7

CONCORD 443.150 Color Code 1

EUCLID 444.850 Color Code 1

MANSFIELD 444.700 Color Code 7

MANTUA 443.550 Color Code 7

MEDINA 442.475 Color Code 7

MONTVILLE TOWNSHIP 442.475 Color Code 7

NORTON 444.000 Color Code 7

NORTON 443.850 Color Code 7



ZONE 3: CENTRAL

COLUMBUS 443.150 Color Code 1

JEROME 444.125 Color Code 1

MOUNT VERNON 442.100 Color Code 7

MT GILEAD 444.8625 Color Code 1



ZONE 4: SOUTHWEST

CINCINNATI 443.900 Color Code 1

CINCINNATI 442.175 Color Code 1

DAYTON 442.875 Color Code 1

DAYTON 444.600 Color Code 1

GREENHILLS 443.400 Color Code 1

HILLSBORO 443.075 Color Code 1

KETTERING 443.750 Color Code 0

MIDDLETOWN 444.3625 Color Code 1

PIQUA 444.8375 Color Code 0

SPRINGFIELD 442.5125 Color Code 1

SPRINGFIELD 443.4125 Color Code 1



ZONE 5: SOUTHWEST

MARIETTA 444.100 Color Code 1

MARIETTA 443.4125 Color Code 1
 
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Should cross post to Facebook. Specifically to DMR Digital Mobile Radio created by Don Traynor, VE3FXT. Lots folks there and a few might be able to help.


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Thanks for the replies. I'll check out the Facebook page.

Update: unfortunately, due to the software and setup of the Tytera MD-380 factory menu, I'm unable to break everything down into individual zones. The idea was for the user to go to, say Zone 1, then select from a list of sites that would then bring up universal channels for thoses sites. This will not be possible due to the lack of support for sub Zones within Zones.

No worries, the project still continues. Each site must be programmed as It's own Zone with 16 channels for that site.

So you will only have Zone as a menu option, from there, you will bring up every DMR site in alphabetical order, in the state of Ohio.

To reiterate, sub Zones isn't possible at this time, but we will keep the state of Ohio, broken down to 5 Zones for future use.
 

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I've often wondered if programming zones based on talkgroups is a better approach. Then as you drive about you can scan the talkgroups you want and find a repeater.


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I've often wondered if programming zones based on talkgroups is a better approach. Then as you drive about you can scan the talkgroups you want and find a repeater.
That would be very awkward to program, and even more difficult to use.
 

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Did anyone ever come up with a working OH. statewide code plug for the MD380 radio for DMR and should one exist, where can you get it. It appear working code plugs are for 1 or 2 machines only and are held close to the vest.
 

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Here's your problem...

You are assuming that everyone uses the same c-bridge. The repeater I co-own and operate uses the K4USD network. Sure, NA might be talkgroup 3, but for you it is TS1, for me it is TS2. Not all networks are created equally.

Don't get me wrong, I love this idea but to get every repeater owner to standardize and follow along is like herding cats.
 

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Nothing is impossible, just people have to work together.

Thank you first of all, for the reply;

I understand with DMR-MARC, HYTERIA, K4USD and others out there, No one wants to use the same glass to drink from. But progress happens either very slowly or not at all when one 1 or 2 KINGS want to run the show vs COOPERATION and ASSISTANCE from ALL to get a task completed. We use to call that a COLLECTIVE THINK GROUP or THINK TANK.

I remember when I started playing with DIGITAL VOICE on D-STAR. EVERYONE knew how it worked, but what I found from them, when I had questions, DSTAR was DEAD!

C4FM when FUSION came around there were small groups that were working with the repeaters to make them cross compatible with D-STAR and DMR. That was said to NEVER HAPPEN, but between some SAVY individuals working together that has changed.

Everyday I go to my test bench and play with prototypes that have been sent to me of different multiband, multimode radios (HTs, & Mobile radios) and play, Some I am modifying software, firmware and on occasion maybe a HARD WARE modification. These radios may either hit the market Dec. 2016 or in 2017 for the public / ham. These devices, like the JETSONS FLYING CAR or the TRIQUARTER use to be, just HEAR SAY or seen in comics or SCI-FY TV shows.

My understanding from others OUTSIDE the state of OHIO, is that there are SEVERAL WORKING OH. CODE PLUGS that are STATE WIDE. Yet they are held CLOSE TO THE VEST of those who are USING THEM.

Again I do understand that some C-Bridges use 3, or 93 or maybe 913 (just an example) for NA. I know that some use TS1 (FULL TIME) or others use TS2 (maybe Full Time / PTT). But what I know for sure, that EVENTUALLY (And I know it already happens) If we don't all get off that MOUNTAIN or the GOD LIKE ATTITUDE / Mentality that some ACT LIKE they are GREATNESS (HEAR ME ROAR) and start communicating with the rest of the groups, As DMR GROWS. It is going to be a CLUSTER. Whether it is people PTTing a TG on a repeater that is already being used in PTT on another TG, knocking the other PTT TG out.. I know you will say it will never happen, but with RESPECT disappearing like it has amongst people in general and FELLOW HAMS A LIKE. This is going to end up like another mode of years past.

I have seen code plugs from TX, AZ, CA, Canada and the UK. Some are STATEWIDE, MULTI-STATE, and even COUNTRY WIDE. They have some of those same hurdles to deal with (different C-Bridges, different hardware and different KINGS of the HILL that think they are better than the other person) yet they have made it work and they have CODE PLUGS to show for it.

I find COOPERATION is not a BIG SELLING POINT here in OHIO when it comes to people in general and in some cases HAM RADIO OPERATORS. If that mentality existed back in the day of ole sparky, the advancements in AMATEUR RADIO would never be where they are today. I had 2 DMR repeater systems given/donated to me over a year and a half ago to set up a DMR system here in the CLEVELAND AREA. I found as much resistance from the area hams that didn't want NEW TECHNOLOGY in the area, as I found when I tried to set up cross banding so a now "SILENT KEY HAM" could get on a net that he was part of. I just recently passed those machines forward to deserving groups that could use them.

Again, thank you for your comments and your assistance

KD8VIQ
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Just so you know, the repeater I co-own is in the Cleveland area. We choose to privately own it for the time being however all are welcome. We put it up on the premise that if you don't like it, don't use it and it is open to all who wish to try it out and make it a home. More (hopefully) are coming but it takes time to build the network out.
 

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"My understanding from others OUTSIDE the state of OHIO, is that there are SEVERAL WORKING OH. CODE PLUGS that are STATE WIDE. Yet they are held CLOSE TO THE VEST of those who are USING THEM."

I hold my codeplugs close because I created them, and unless you were inside my head at the time of building it, you'll have no idea how RX groups work, no idea how to put in your user ID, no idea what scanlist has what in it. I would be more than willing to teach a class during a meeting on how to properly set up a codeplug, but once I was done I would not openly distribute it. I don't do this to be mean, I do this because if we (c-bridge owner/repeater owners) in time add a talkgroup, people should not depend on me to work on their codeplugs and without that talkgroup being monitored, you'll never know if I'm on the time slot/talkgroup or not, and I don't want to be bonked out from my own QSO. If we make an announcement that this has happened, I will not sit there and edit 50 unique codeplugs tailored to each ham for various makes and models of radios.

"I find COOPERATION is not a BIG SELLING POINT here in OHIO when it comes to people in general and in some cases HAM RADIO OPERATORS. If that mentality existed back in the day of ole sparky, the advancements in AMATEUR RADIO would never be where they are today. I had 2 DMR repeater systems given/donated to me over a year and a half ago to set up a DMR system here in the CLEVELAND AREA. I found as much resistance from the area hams that didn't want NEW TECHNOLOGY in the area, as I found when I tried to set up cross banding so a now "SILENT KEY HAM" could get on a net that he was part of. I just recently passed those machines forward to deserving groups that could use them."

So why do you let people just push you around? It's your hobby too. If you want a DMR repeater setup, do it. If you want to set up a crossbank link, who am I to say you can't do it? If someone came up to me and told me I wasn't allowed to set up a repeater that has a coordinated pair just because they didn't like it I'd let them have some very choice words and tell them to get off my lawn.
 

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MD 380 Code Plug

All,

I maintain a heavily circulated MD380/390 code plug for OHIO. This plug covers every known OHIO HAM DMR repeater in the state. I populate it with the most popular talkgroups on each machine (driven by what C-Bridge or network it is connected to).

I update it at least once a month. If there are no repeater updates, the OHIO DMR user database is updated to the plug at minimum.

I share the plug via an email blast. All are welcome to be added to this distribution.

Please send your interest for receiving it to: k4awc@arrl.net

All I ask is you share feedback of new machines or changes to current machines with me. That will ensure we have the most up to date and working plug at all times. The plug is labeled with date of release in its filename to easily track what version you have.

73 de Andrew/K4AWC
 

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This is a problem! This is why codeplugs should be created by each user! To put "the most popular" of each repeater in is a disaster waiting to happen to users of the repeater you also use!

Program everything or nothing at all. Don't half-*** it.
 

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Brian,

Much time is taken to ensure that the codeplug that is being distributed has the most used talkgroups that are used. There is a limitation of the MD380/390 to 16 TG's per zone. While priority is given to local, statewide, regional, national, international TG's, there are TAC channels also included. Many machines have TG's that quite simply are never used.

The plug is provided so that folks can get up and running fast with their radio. I also know that many folks use it as a starting block to write their own plug or customize this one to their liking. Bottom line, I am not trying to push a standard. This is simply provided to help people understand how one person views a code plug. It also allows folks traveling to the area/state to get on our machines to use while they are visiting.

Hope this helps all understand the method to the madness here.
 
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Kudos to this group for coming together and doing things right. Like you said this project is outstanding for travelers into your state that need a code plug. I wish more states would do the same. Heck, it would be even better if the DMARC folks could make a section on there website containing each state.
 
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