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Hello all, I am new here and to Ham radio. Just picked up my Tech license and am getting ready to put up my antenna. I plan on using a "J" mount of the top of my two story for mounting a GP-3. I have 100' of LMR-400 to make the drop with, PL-259 solder connectors, an inline ground connector as well as a Polyphaser IS-50UX-CO lightning arrestor to protect the feed line with. Will drop a straight run of ground wire from the "J" mount to a ground bar and connect a run from this ground bar to the main ground rod for the house. I think I have pretty well figured everything out from an exterior perspective, but am not sure how to best bring the feed line through the exterior wall and how to then make the connections.

Do I just blast the hole and feed the LMR-400 through straight to the radio or is there a pseudo distribution panel that is used?

Thank you for the forum and I am looking forward to learning from you all.
 

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MFJ enterprises has a variety of panels that feed your antenna line through the window, a vent or solid wall.
 

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I just go through the wall. remember to put a drip loop on the onside and weather tight the hole. there is no need to 'break' the coax run to go through the wall. Any break in a coax run will add to losses, so the fewer terminations in the run the better. Water and weather also 'get into' coax runs mainly at the terminations so the fewer the better.

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In the past, I've often used a short piece of PVC pipe terminated with a 45 degree fitting. The angle fitting better accommodates a drip loop and is easily painted and weather-sealed. Depending on the diameter of the PVC, you could also provide for additional coax runs in the future.

Cheap - effective - looks good!

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In the past, I've often used a short piece of PVC pipe terminated with a 45 degree fitting.
To keep little critters from finding their way into your house through your PVC pipe, I suggest stuffing it with fiberglass insulation or wire wool. I do not suggest filling the void with spray foam insulation as it is a real mess to clean up should you want to change your cable runs.
 

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Those little critters can be persistent. :) Wire wool is the best... Oil it with WD40 or something similar to prevent rust.

I once left a couple of fiberglass batts sitting in my garage. One day I looked under the hood of my car and found that some mice had used the fiberglass to make a nest on top of my engine.

Another time, I sealed a small hole on the foundation of my house with spray-in foam insulation. A few weeks later I found it chewed through. I plugged it up again, but this time I used concrete.
 

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MFJ enterprises has a variety of panels that feed your antenna line through the window, a vent or solid wall.

Since I live in a rental, drilling through the wall is out of the question. I built my own window feed-through panel similar to the ones marketed by MFJ. I used a piece of 1/2" x 4" (finished dimensions) wood , varnished it, added weather stripping, installed barrel connectors, a ground stud, some caps and placed it in a sliding window after removing the screen.

 

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Lots of questions come to mind.
What kind of house you got? Bungalow? Is it on a slab? Are there basement windows?
Is it a rental, or can you make holes wherever you want?
Where in the house is your shack? Upstairs? Basement?
 

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Nice job! :). 73, n9zas

Thanks. The nice thing is that I used only the bottom third of the board. there is plenty of room for expansion if the need arises.

Lots of questions come to mind.
What kind of house you got? Bungalow? Is it on a slab? Are there basement windows?
Is it a rental, or can you make holes wherever you want?
Where in the house is your shack? Upstairs? Basement?

I'm assuming this question is for the OP and not me, correct?
 

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Sorry for the delay in responding, I've got a large project going on at work that is taking up a lot of my time.
I really appreciate the input and the ideas for how to best do this.
The house is a two story with brick and sits on a slab. The "shack" is on the first floor and is directly next to a window and the outside wall. On the exterior wall of where the shack is, all the telephone, Internet and Satellite wiring is; as well as the house ground.

Based on all the knowledge shared with me here, I think I am going to go with the window entry. It will eliminate having to cut brick or creating a possible entry point for our wonderful Texas scorpions. :)

Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge with me!

Dale
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*in case you are wondering, my username of "48er" is because when I was born there were only 48 stars on the US flag. My kids call me a "48er". <smile>
 

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To keep little critters from finding their way into your house through your PVC pipe, I suggest stuffing it with fiberglass insulation or wire wool. I do not suggest filling the void with spray foam insulation as it is a real mess to clean up should you want to change your cable runs.

Give Duct Seal a try. Available at any electrical supply or better hardware stores. Easy to use, molds into any shape and easy to remove if necessary. Also great for sealing around coax connectors.
 

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If at all possible ground the outer jacket of the coax as is comes down the outside wall before any turns or drip loops. Think of lightning as a lazy creature; it will prefer to follow a straight path if given a choice. There are many waterproof grounding kits available that do not require cutting the coax in two. Google LMR400 Sureground.

When you drill any hole through an exterior wall, drill the hole at an angle so it's lower on the outside. The angle will help keep water from traveling up the outside of the coax. (Warning: water will travel uphill, so the steeper the angle the better. if you don't believe me I can show you many failed installs.)

For a single LMR400 or RG8 pop a 1/2" hole through the masonry. Not huge, and easy to fill / hide later on. If / when your number of coax leads exceeds the diameter of the hole pull the coax out and make it bigger. That's when you want to think about a length of PVC pipe and a 45 on the outside. The pipe should be at least four times the diameter of the coax; tight packing multiple coax runs in a pipe will lead to unpredictable weirdness. (LMR400 really weirds out running through steel or aluminum pipe, so stay with PVC.).

If you are sealing a hole with less than a 1/4" gap, silicon sealer works okay, but don't scrimp on the quantity. Electrical duct seal or hydraulic cement (which expands as it sets) are good options for larger gaps through masonry. I prefer moisture cured urethane; Google SikaFlex.

If you put in a pipe stay away from steel wool; it doesn't last. Check the kitchen section and find bronze wool. Stuff it in deep and seal the outside to keep small bugs and humidity out. You can also spend five bucks on Amazon and buy a solder tip cleaner filled with bronze wool and borrow a bit. You need a tip cleaner anyway.

You can also mount a Carlon 6x6 PVC box on the outside. A PVC pipe male adapter can enter the box high on the back and be sealed tight with "way too much" sealer, with or without pipe attached. Use waterproof cord grips on the bottom to enter the coax. Unscrew the gasketed cover and see right into the house to run more coax. Let it weather a few months then paint to match. See your electrical supply house.

On the inside you might want to cut in a "old-work low voltage" box (it's open on the back and very shallow, and has ears that open when you tighten the screws to keep in in place). Finish it inside with a blank cover plate that matches the decor by drilling an exact size hole. You local home store has it all. If you are using a Polyphaser lighting protector you can mount the device on the cover plate either inside or outside the wall - just be sure you ground it properly. If there is any possibility of expansion go ahead and put in a 4x4 (two gang) inside box and cover.

Secure the coax outside at least every two feet, but make sure that you don't smash it or change it's shape- doing so will change the impedance of the coax and wack your install.

Water is your main enemy- critters are easier. There is nothing wrong with waterproofing to the "belt plus suspenders plus spare belt" standard. Electrical tape by itself is worthless. A liberal coating of silicon grease on the connectors underneath the vapor-proof wrap makes disassembly easier, plus provides a last line of defense against moisture.

My bane is Japanese Beetles. How a 1/4" bug can get through a 1/16" crack is mind boggling, but they do. In herds.

Water has nothing but determination and time on its hands. I had an install (by others) that failed after three years; customer complaint was no reception ("Deaf as a post"), no TX power output, and water dripping out of the bottom connector (RG8). I found that the routing and sealing was first rate, but water was getting into the antenna itself and wicking fifty feet to the radio. The impedance mismatch blew out the final PA in the transmitter. Wholesale replacement ($$$'s) followed.
 
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