TK-7180H Deviation Change

[K5FVL]

I'm trying change the QT and DQT deviation levels. It changes with KPG-89D v. 1.61 software, but when I upload the saved .dat file, it reverts to the old levels.
The power and Frequency setting work fine.
Ideas?

 

[mmckenna]

Are you using the service side of the software and applying the changes in there? Deviation settings aren't saved in the radio programming file.

 

[K5FVL]

Are you using the service side of the software and applying the changes in there? Deviation settings aren't saved in the radio programming file.

Here are some more details.....

It is a TK-7180H -K with firmware 1.22. I am using KPG-89D v. 1.61 with the Engineer s/n. The *Advanced Setting's plainly shows on the Menus and seems to work. Well, it works on most settings. I set the Hi & Lo power with the slider on a 2M Test channel. While I am moving the Tx Power sliders, the power output changes on my HP8920B SM. I then click OK and save the .dat config file and upload it to the radio. I turn off the radio, remove the USB FTDI KP49 cable, and re-power the radio. I test the new power settings and they are as desired. The Frequency setting works the same way.
I can also change the QT reverse burst settings from 180 to 120.

I do the same process with the Max Deviation, QT Fine Deviation, and DQT Fine Deviation. However, when I power-cycle the radio, or even no power-cycle, just remove the pgm cable and stick in a mic for Tx, the deviation settings are not changed.

 

[mmckenna]

That's strange. I no longer have a TK-x180 to try that with.

I think 1.22 was one of the latest firmware versions.

 

[cavmedic]

Over the last month or so, Ive been doing some PM's on 8180's and any of the changes to "frequency" , or sensitivity in tune mode, have all been real time and never needed to be saved separately, nor have they changed after power cycle, exiting tune mode or removing the programming cable.
I have another box of 10 sitting by the bench for some over time work, if I get to them this week at all, ill check these for similar issues.

 

[ramal121]

Why are you not using the test mode to make your adjustments???

 

[K5FVL]

Why are you not using the test mode to make your adjustments???

Sorry, I misspoke. The Advanced Settings region I only used for changing the QT reverse burst settings.
I did use the Test mode for changing Frequency and Power levels. Only the deviation is misbehaving. It is a 2007 radio and the v. 1.61 KPU-89D pgm software is 2010.
Update: I just now changed my procedure to Not transmitting and watching the Service Monitor while making changes. I just slid the slider to a guess of what the 0-255 level I need, and clicking on the "Close" button. After hitting Close, the radio blanked out the screen, then displayed 1-1, which I believe means Group 1 Ch 1, and then seemed to reboot with startup beep, showing the Logon Text and Ch 1. My changes were done while set on Ch 6 (a Test Frequency). Then, I did not do a Save for the Config .dat file.
Recycled power the radio and it held the new Deviation setting.
Looks like we have Murphy put to bed....

Thanks to all of you who responded!

Dan K5FVL

 

[ramal121]

Just a thought here. Transmit power is bandwidth independent and can be set once by either wide or narrow selected for the test channel. Deviation however will need to have the correct bandwidth set on the test channel to coincide with what is programmed for your user channels. Possible you were adjusting with the wrong bandwidth on the test channel, yes maybe no?

 

[K5FVL]

I figured that was the case after I saw I was setting it on NB, which I will not be using. I backup up and did it correctly after that.
So, No, but a good thought!
Dan

 

[AM909]

The tuning settings (power, deviation, etc.) that are read/set with Program→Test Mode are independent of the programming (options, channel name, freq, signalling, etc.) that is read/set by Program→Write/Read Data To/From Transciever.

Test Mode reads the tuning settings when you choose Program→Test Mode and adjusts them in real time, saving them when you click OK in the individual setting dialog or rolling them back when you click Cancel. Some of the settings have separate values for wide/narrow (if you have 89D, not 89DN) as controlled by the Wide/Narrow listbox on the main Test Mode dialog, and displayed in the title bar of the setting dialog. E.g., when you select Wide, and then double-click on the DQT Fine Deviation, the title bar of the resulting setting dialog says "DQT Fine Deviation(Wide)". If it doesn't add (Wide) or (Narrow), the settings are common to both.

Once you are in the individual settings dialog (e.g., DQT Fine Deviation(Wide)), you should generally adjust all of the Low/Low'/Center/High'/High tabs that appear, since I havent seen documentation of the actual logic of whether it constructs a curve from those values and then extrapolates the value for a given operating freq, how the Test tab value affects things, etc.. Does anyone know for sure?

Note that, if you set one of the non-Test tabs, then switch to the Test tab (before clicking OK), you will cancel the settings change you made in the non-Test tab. E.g., go into DQT Fine Deviation(Wide), click the High tab, change the value, then click the Test tab, then click the High tab again, you will see the value has reverted to what it was before (which you probably didn't want).

If your selected Test freq is the same as the Center freq (485.1000 TX in a high-split 8180) and you set the value of a Test tab, then click the Center tab, you will see that it copies the new value of the Test tab to the Center tab.

In my setups, the default Test freq is usually the same as the Center, so I don't bother with the Test tabs (if the other tabs are present).

The important point of the above is that you lose changes if you either click Cancel or click the Test tab after changing any of the other tab values.