Something's up. All of the TMR sites in the Halifax area are showing as being in site trunking right now.
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TMR issue tonight?
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Looks like a major outage! Just checked both Musquodoboit and Queensland, all of their neighbour sites are showing as site trunking as well.
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Giving me a good chance to learn a bit about some of the different agencies contingency plans.
- There is no EHS communications what so ever on any of the area sites. They must fall back on their tablets and maybe cell phones exclusively.
- HRP seems to still be chugging away but they're all on the Geizers Hill site, there's no HRP comms at all on any of the other sites. Their radios must be programmed to affiliate with Geizers when they can't find a site that isn't in site trunking. This would make sense, that site would have the greatest coverage for HRP's area.
- Thankfully there haven't been any fire calls that I've heard, but there have been some radio tests on the HRFE backup repeaters and they seem to be functioning fine. I kind of want there to be some sort of call, so I can hear how the page goes out, I'm thinking it'll be zone pages.. and I'm especially curious to see how any of the Dartmouth stations are paged, because 152.18 never seems to be a part of the zone pager tests that go through the backup system.
- There is no EHS communications what so ever on any of the area sites. They must fall back on their tablets and maybe cell phones exclusively.
- HRP seems to still be chugging away but they're all on the Geizers Hill site, there's no HRP comms at all on any of the other sites. Their radios must be programmed to affiliate with Geizers when they can't find a site that isn't in site trunking. This would make sense, that site would have the greatest coverage for HRP's area.
- Thankfully there haven't been any fire calls that I've heard, but there have been some radio tests on the HRFE backup repeaters and they seem to be functioning fine. I kind of want there to be some sort of call, so I can hear how the page goes out, I'm thinking it'll be zone pages.. and I'm especially curious to see how any of the Dartmouth stations are paged, because 152.18 never seems to be a part of the zone pager tests that go through the backup system.
EHS are taking calls what sounds like via cell here in the CBRM and relaying them from the New Waterford base via portable,due to its elevation. I'm not hearing any other agencies at this time other then a Public Safety Support personnel testing various TG's over various sites. He just advised that West of New Glasgow should be online with the rest of the province coming up slowly.
That's how it appeared, although at some point Geizers went quiet and I was hearing HRP all on Maritime Centre, so I really don't know how that worked.
Anyway seems everything came back online shortly after 2.
Anyway seems everything came back online shortly after 2.
When the radios go into site trunking they can still work locally. You still get the triple chirp when you key up and you can still talk to all units that are using the same tower, you just have no way to connect to dispatch or anyone else on another tower. This would explain why hrp was on geizers and maritime centre. I was talking to local units in my area during the outage as well as the local hospital without difficulty, just no connection to comm..
Yesterday from 1430 until 1700 Zone 2 , Pictou county west to CB was offline again in a planned outage to trace the problem. Don't know if zone 1 went down tho..
Yesterday from 1430 until 1700 Zone 2 , Pictou county west to CB was offline again in a planned outage to trace the problem. Don't know if zone 1 went down tho..
I don't think I'm explaining myself very well. I know what site trunking is. For the first couple of hours of the outage, all of the HRP chatter (west, central, east, CPIC) was on Geizers Hill. I switched to monitoring Mar Centre, Preston and Sackville and there was not a single HRP TG key up, and I was monitoring MC for a good 45 minutes or so.
Then I went back to monitoring Geizers, and then after a while it went quiet (no HRP TGs active) and I switched to Sackville couldn't find them there, then Maritime Centre and all of the HRP chatter was there. Checked Preston too, nothing.
So I'm wondering if HRP radios aren't programmed to fail over to a specific site when they can't find a networked site. Geizers would be logical if they could be setup this way, but I have no idea why all of a sudden all the HRP radios went to Maritime Centre.
Then I went back to monitoring Geizers, and then after a while it went quiet (no HRP TGs active) and I switched to Sackville couldn't find them there, then Maritime Centre and all of the HRP chatter was there. Checked Preston too, nothing.
So I'm wondering if HRP radios aren't programmed to fail over to a specific site when they can't find a networked site. Geizers would be logical if they could be setup this way, but I have no idea why all of a sudden all the HRP radios went to Maritime Centre.
novascotian
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Chris did you happen to notice if the RCMP units also went to Geizers with the HRP units? I mean Tantallon's TG but also the RCMP users of the West and East tg's. I am assuming the farther out Eastern Shore units would go to their local sites...
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There was nothig on the Eastern Shore except HRFE testing the Back-Up repeaters and paging.
Nope, didn't notice any pattern with any of the RCMP talkgroups. Saw Enfield pop up a bit when I was monitoring Sackville, but that was it.
Were they using the same talkgroups they normally do?
In my experience there's a couple of ways to accomplish this. If you are particularly radio-savvy, you can "site lock" your radio (if your tech has programmed a button/menu item with this feature). Alternatively, a radio can be programmed to treat a single Smartzone site as a "Smartnet" type system, i.e. one site - and any talkgroups in that system/personality would force the radio to that particular site.
For the latter to work, far as I know, you'd have to have everyone switch to a "backup" zone on the radio. It might even have the same channels/talkgroups, but the personality programming forces the radio to favor a specific site.
Yep same talkgroups as usual, just all on one site/tower.
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