Trying to diagnose a reception problem...

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DMBFireman

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Hello All,

I have a BMAXScan 1000 NMO antenna mounted on my chimney (with a base mount/ground plane) with LMR cable connected to it. I have a cell phone tower about 3 streets away right in line with my antenna. Since I have lived here for 3 years I have noticed when I try to receive distant 800MHz trunked systems on my outside antenna they are all scratchy. This is a constant problem so I don't think it's pager intermod because wouldn't that cause any interference to be intermittent? I.E. the transmissions would come in clear until the pager transmitter kicked in? I can use just my Radio Shack Handheld 800MHz antenna and pick up one of the same distant trunked systems without it being scratchy. I have also noticed driving in my car (which has the same antenna in a mobile mount) the systems are scratchy even locally right around my neighborhood until I get away from the cell tower. I have used the Attenuator on my scanners and it helps with the scratchy sounding comms some but then the signal strength gets too low to pick up some of the trunked systems. I get pretty good signal strength showing on these systems without the attenuator but the actual voice is scratchy. The other thing I've noticed is I can walk out in the backyard with my handheld and if it gets in line of sight with the tower it also becomes scratchy.

I also have an issue on some VHF and UHF frequencies. Since I moved here there are some frequencies I no longer am able to receive that I did in my other location about 5 miles away. One of them is a Fire Dispatch in the 460 MHz range. Yesterday I was at my firehouse which is only about 1.5 miles away from my current residence and we have an external antenna there. I decided to try that out on my scanner and I picked up that same frequency loud and clear and with full bars. This really made me start thinking about this interference issue again....I should be able to get that frequency here. I know that this cell tower is the source of my problem but I don't know what the problem is or if I can fix it. I've been just trying to live with it but now I am wondering what else I am missing out on because this is actually the best antenna setup I've ever had. I just had a basic discone with RG-58 cable at my old location. Now I have in my opinion a pretty good multi-band antenna and great coax so I'm kinda disappointed in my results. My guess is that intermod is not the problem because I'm not hearing bleed-over and the problem isn't intermittent...it is a constant issue like some sort of transmissions are constantly blanketing my location causing my reception to suffer. I have searched the 152-153 range, 158-160, and 482 range for pager transmissions and found some but I haven't found anything that is constantly broadcasting or that is really strong on the S-meter.

Any ideas of things I can try or what this might be? Thanks!

Brandon
 

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I don't think it's a coax issue since the same thing is happening on my mobile scanner and antenna setup when I drive out of the house and in sight of the tower. Same stuff is also happening just walking out in the yard with my handheld and getting in line of sight of the cell tower. The 800MHz stuff gets really scratchy when in sight of the tower. In my car when I drive away from the tower everything gets clear again.

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One thing that makes somewhat sense is the cell tower is between me and the UHF Fire Dispatch frequency that I can no longer receive. Granted the cell phone tower is much closer to me than the county that has that dispatch channel but it seems that's what is blocking it out. I guess I'm just stuck with it because I am too close to the tower? Nothing to do about it? I was looking at notch filters but my problem doesn't seem like intermod does it...so that would really be useless?

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I think that cell tower may be the source for the static, but I doubt if the tower is 'blocking' any signals. Cell towers operate in the 800 Mhz band so it's certainly possible that you are getting some interference from that. Most cell towers are a continuous transmitting site so it wouldn't necessarily be intermittent at all. I won't say that's what's happening but I would sure 'lean' in that direction.
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Antenna reception problems can be extremely complex, with many variables involved. Signals get knocked around in different ways from point A to point B . Your particular situation is compounded by the multiple systems/frequencies targeted.

Having said that, I would suggest:

Move your rooftop antenna to a different location on your chimney/roof, sometimes as much as a few inches can make a great deal of difference. Usually in any given area there are certain sections which yield higher rf receive/compensate for interference.

While on the roof use your handheld as a signal finder to aid in the placement on your antenna, which you've alluded to at ground level.

Try the discone you've mentioned. These can be very useful with multiple freqs.of interest, even though they have no gain, and will certainly give you different receive characteristics vs the antenna in use.
 

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Antenna reception problems can be extremely complex, with many variables involved. Signals get knocked around in different ways from point A to point B . Your particular situation is compounded by the multiple systems/frequencies targeted.

Having said that, I would suggest:

Move your rooftop antenna to a different location on your chimney/roof, sometimes as much as a few inches can make a great deal of difference. Usually in any given area there are certain sections which yield higher rf receive/compensate for interference.

While on the roof use your handheld as a signal finder to aid in the placement on your antenna, which you've alluded to at ground level.

Try the discone you've mentioned. These can be very useful with multiple freqs.of interest, even though they have no gain, and will certainly give you different receive characteristics vs the antenna in use.

These are good suggestions and just earlier I was thinking of testing the discone I have in the attic. The antenna on my roof right now has some gain to it and maybe that is part of the issue. I'll try switching them out and seeing if that helps. If it does I will have more work to do because I have no mounting hardware for the discone currently...lol.

I also chose the MAXRAD to be on the roof because it performed well on my vehicle and because it's not as big as a discone. My homeowners association would have a flip out if it was visible and so far for 3 years I've been ok. Changing to the discone might become an issue but we'll see.

Brandon

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Well I spent a couple of hours today changing out antennas and testing things in our near 100 degree weather here in the North Texas area. Soon that will be an every day thing! Anyway I changed to my RadioShack discone and immediately noticed a difference. The distant trunked systems I was trying to hear were still scratchy but not as bad as before and at times they were coming in loud and clear. More importantly the 460 MHz fire dispatch channel that I had lost the ability to hear started coming in at full bars and the VHF ops channel for that same county is much better. So it appears the gain on the antenna is definitely the culprit. As for the 800MHz trunked systems I tried using the Attenuator function on them tonight and it has really cleaned them up for the most part. I can hear Ft. Worth (20 miles) to my Southwest now pretty well. I will keep doing some testing but it appears I have solved the issue. I also noticed that placing the discone lower and on a corner of my chimney away from the cell tower had a better effect. I think I've gotten it mostly out of the cell tower RF blanket!

Brandon
 
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