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Hey guys. I'm currently in the process of building out a Bugout Bag. I'd like to possibly see **** getting a little handheld 2 way for it and am not really certain where to start. It would obviously be used for monitoring in a SHTF situation but my main question is use. From what I'm reading online it looks like in an emergency situation use is allowed even if you don't have your Ham license. Is this true? I'd love to get my license and may do so eventually but just don't have the time currently.

My second question is about gear. What would someone recommend as a cheap solution for what I'm looking for?
 

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Yaesu and Alinco have dual band analog only hand helds that range from about $60 to $100 otherwise you are looking at cheaper lower quality CCR junk.
 

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Having a ham radio license in many localities is your get out of jail free card for having a scanner in your vehicle or on your person. Just sayin...
 

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The only dual band hand helds under $100 are the Chinese. The Alinco was on sale but sold for $129.00 orginally. As was said, get a ham license. If you don't understand the radio and try to use it in an emergency, you will do nothing but cause problems for those who have been trained to help.
 

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For what it's worth:
For the average person a 'bug out' bag is next to worthless. Being realistic, do you really think you will use one? They require a lot of thought, some experience, and even then they get quite heavy with all that you -might- need. Also, who do you think you'll talk to?
I think you'd be better off with a hand-scanner. With lots of batteries!

I also am NOT going to get into that 'end of the world' debate.
 

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For what it's worth:
For the average person a 'bug out' bag is next to worthless. Being realistic, do you really think you will use one? They require a lot of thought, some experience, and even then they get quite heavy with all that you -might- need. Also, who do you think you'll talk to?
I think you'd be better off with a hand-scanner. With lots of batteries!

I also am NOT going to get into that 'end of the world' debate.

I mean. A bug out bag isn't really for end of the world scenarios. I'll probably never have to use it and I sure hope not. But should it be needed yeah it will make a world of difference having it.
 

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From what I'm reading online it looks like in an emergency situation use is allowed even if you don't have your Ham license. Is this true? I'd love to get my license and may do so eventually but just don't have the time currently.

Buying a radio and not getting properly licensed because you "just don't have the time" isn't a valid justification and it's certainly not justification for using it in an emergency. Seriously. If you think you need a amateur radio, get licensed. It is not hard at all. If you have time to build a bug out bag, then you have time to learn how to properly use the equipment.

Transmitting without a license likely isn't going to get you busted, but I can tell you that amateurs are a pretty stuck up lot and often won't talk to unlicensed users showing up on the amateur radio bands.
If you are thinking of using the radio to transmit on public safety frequencies, stop. That is not the right way to do things.

In a true emergency, getting help via hobby radio bands is really hit and miss. I know, I've tried, and as a properly licensed amateur, I would never rely on amateur radio in an emergency. There are correct tools for the job, and this isn't it. Relying on hobbyists to bail your butt out of a disaster is really putting a lot of faith in complete strangers that have zero responsibility to be there listening to the radio.


My second question is about gear. What would someone recommend as a cheap solution for what I'm looking for?

Define cheap. Define what your expected scenario is. Define what your expectations are.

For emergency communications, buying a cheap two way portable radio isn't your best bet. For true emergencies, there is better gear out there that provides a much higher likelihood of reaching someone that can actually help you.

As others have said, about the worst thing you can do is have a two way radio and wait for an emergency to figure out how to properly use it. Without a license, you are not going to be able to properly learn how to use the radio. We go through this at work, and we have periodic drills with staff that require them to find their radio, turn it on, switch to the correct talk group and check in with our EOC. Every single one of them will refuse training since it's "just a walkie talkie, how hard can it be", yet when it comes to the drills, they fail to figure it out. Now our EOC runs mandatory training sessions for those in leadership roles and those with any sort of emergency response duties. I do the training, and no matter how much I stand up there and talk, it relies on them having hands on the radio and practicing every day.

Don't fall into the assumption that buying a bunch of emergency gear makes you prepared, you actually need to know how to use it all in a high stress situation. The emergency isn't going to stop while you sit down to read the manual. Same goes for your first aid supplies. Simply buying a first aid kit does nothing, you have to know what to do with the stuff.
 

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Buying a radio and not getting properly licensed because you "just don't have the time" isn't a valid justification and it's certainly not justification for using it in an emergency. Seriously. If you think you need a amateur radio, get licensed. It is not hard at all. If you have time to build a bug out bag, then you have time to learn how to properly use the equipment.

Transmitting without a license likely isn't going to get you busted, but I can tell you that amateurs are a pretty stuck up lot and often won't talk to unlicensed users showing up on the amateur radio bands.
If you are thinking of using the radio to transmit on public safety frequencies, stop. That is not the right way to do things.

In a true emergency, getting help via hobby radio bands is really hit and miss. I know, I've tried, and as a properly licensed amateur, I would never rely on amateur radio in an emergency. There are correct tools for the job, and this isn't it. Relying on hobbyists to bail your butt out of a disaster is really putting a lot of faith in complete strangers that have zero responsibility to be there listening to the radio.




Define cheap. Define what your expected scenario is. Define what your expectations are.

For emergency communications, buying a cheap two way portable radio isn't your best bet. For true emergencies, there is better gear out there that provides a much higher likelihood of reaching someone that can actually help you.

As others have said, about the worst thing you can do is have a two way radio and wait for an emergency to figure out how to properly use it. Without a license, you are not going to be able to properly learn how to use the radio. We go through this at work, and we have periodic drills with staff that require them to find their radio, turn it on, switch to the correct talk group and check in with our EOC. Every single one of them will refuse training since it's "just a walkie talkie, how hard can it be", yet when it comes to the drills, they fail to figure it out. Now our EOC runs mandatory training sessions for those in leadership roles and those with any sort of emergency response duties. I do the training, and no matter how much I stand up there and talk, it relies on them having hands on the radio and practicing every day.

Don't fall into the assumption that buying a bunch of emergency gear makes you prepared, you actually need to know how to use it all in a high stress situation. The emergency isn't going to stop while you sit down to read the manual. Same goes for your first aid supplies. Simply buying a first aid kit does nothing, you have to know what to do with the stuff.


Thanks man. You have me a lot of good information. I'm not just looking to buy stuff to buy stuff. I know it sounds like a cop out saying I don't have time to get my license but I really don't. We do foster care and currently have 7 kids including a 2yr old. People who have never done Foster probably don't understand the amount of Dr visits, court hearing, FST meetings, therapy appointments you have to go to in a month.

This was a long term thought anyway. Really just trying to wrap my head around what light be available to me. Thanks again!
 

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Thanks man. You have me a lot of good information. I'm not just looking to buy stuff to buy stuff. I know it sounds like a cop out saying I don't have time to get my license but I really don't. We do foster care and currently have 7 kids including a 2yr old. People who have never done Foster probably don't understand the amount of Dr visits, court hearing, FST meetings, therapy appointments you have to go to in a month.

I do understand, my wife and I did foster care for many years. We adopted one. He's got a lot of challenges and it's a full time job getting him to/from all the appointments. As a teenager, it's enough stuff, but adding all that on top is overwhelming.

A couple of options,
-Ham Cram sessions. While not my favorite, they do work. Basically a 6 hour class and you leave with your license on it's way from the FCC.
-GMRS can be a good option is some areas, especially if there are repeaters.


This was a long term thought anyway. Really just trying to wrap my head around what light be available to me. Thanks again!

You'd probably enjoy having the amateur radio license. It does open up a lot of options for you. Also, with the amount of stuff on your plate, having a hobby to fall back on might be valuable.

Good luck on the foster care. That's a huge undertaking, but makes a lot of positive impacts on society. I wish more people did it.
 

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So study while in the waiting rooms or waiting for your court time, etc, the amateur tests these days are pretty easy to pass. I'll reinforce the fact that in an emergency with a front panel programmable radio that your not very familiar with and no license, your chances of getting help are slim at best.

A better way to look at this is with a ham license you will be able to use the radio a lot and get real familiar with it. You will probably put together a bugout bag anyways, so wouldn't it be nicer to have a radio that you use on a regular basis, with potential friends out there listening and you stick that radio in your bugout bag when the SHTF? Now your chances of a radio helping you in an emergency just went through the roof.
 

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Buying a radio and not getting properly licensed because you "just don't have the time" isn't a valid justification and it's certainly not justification for using it in an emergency. Seriously. If you think you need a amateur radio, get licensed. It is not hard at all. If you have time to build a bug out bag, then you have time to learn how to properly use the equipment.

Transmitting without a license likely isn't going to get you busted, but I can tell you that amateurs are a pretty stuck up lot and often won't talk to unlicensed users showing up on the amateur radio bands.
If you are thinking of using the radio to transmit on public safety frequencies, stop. That is not the right way to do things.

In a true emergency, getting help via hobby radio bands is really hit and miss. I know, I've tried, and as a properly licensed amateur, I would never rely on amateur radio in an emergency. There are correct tools for the job, and this isn't it. Relying on hobbyists to bail your butt out of a disaster is really putting a lot of faith in complete strangers that have zero responsibility to be there listening to the radio.




Define cheap. Define what your expected scenario is. Define what your expectations are.

For emergency communications, buying a cheap two way portable radio isn't your best bet. For true emergencies, there is better gear out there that provides a much higher likelihood of reaching someone that can actually help you.

As others have said, about the worst thing you can do is have a two way radio and wait for an emergency to figure out how to properly use it. Without a license, you are not going to be able to properly learn how to use the radio. We go through this at work, and we have periodic drills with staff that require them to find their radio, turn it on, switch to the correct talk group and check in with our EOC. Every single one of them will refuse training since it's "just a walkie talkie, how hard can it be", yet when it comes to the drills, they fail to figure it out. Now our EOC runs mandatory training sessions for those in leadership roles and those with any sort of emergency response duties. I do the training, and no matter how much I stand up there and talk, it relies on them having hands on the radio and practicing every day.

Don't fall into the assumption that buying a bunch of emergency gear makes you prepared, you actually need to know how to use it all in a high stress situation. The emergency isn't going to stop while you sit down to read the manual. Same goes for your first aid supplies. Simply buying a first aid kit does nothing, you have to know what to do with the stuff.
So study while in the waiting rooms or waiting for your court time, etc, the amateur tests these days are pretty easy to pass. I'll reinforce the fact that in an emergency with a front panel programmable radio that your not very familiar with and no license, your chances of getting help are slim at best.

A better way to look at this is with a ham license you will be able to use the radio a lot and get real familiar with it. You will probably put together a bugout bag anyways, so wouldn't it be nicer to have a radio that you use on a regular basis, with potential friends out there listening and you stick that radio in your bugout bag when the SHTF? Now your chances of a radio helping you in an emergency just went through the roof.


The getting to know people ahead of time is a fantastic point I hadn't thought of. Thanks everyone for the responses.
 

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Shoot for $70 you can get a GMRS license good for ten years, and buy surplus commercial LMR radios that are far better performance than Chinese stuff. No test, no wait.

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The Gordon West ham radio study books are ok, there are many online study sites and you can get apps for your phone to study on the go. One I've seen and like is HRE from Roy Watson, N1ZTL. You can study the correct answers and take practice tests on your phone while in the Doctors waiting room.

We'll be looking forward to seeing your new callsign soon.


The getting to know people ahead of time is a fantastic point I hadn't thought of. Thanks everyone for the responses.
 

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Make sure the people want to contact are going to have the same type of radio so you're able to do so. Regarding VHF/UHF ham radio make sure you can access and use a repeater. Not all are open to just anyone. Above all in a true SHTF scenario don't contact strangers. They're going to want your food, guns and ammo and won't hesitate to kill for it! I'm serious!
 

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The only dual band hand helds under $100 are the Chinese.
Alinco DJ-500T -- $80
Yaesu FT-4XR -- $80
Yaesu FT-65R -- $85

While these radios may be made in China (I know that the FT-4XR is as I own one), they are designed, marketed, and serviced by Japanese manufacturers and their designated importers/distributors.
 

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W9BU, it is true, but I will still be using my FT-60R long after my CCC either quits or drives me nuts with the illogical fpp steps. I have 5 FT models going back to the FT-51R, and they all follow the same steps for fpp.
 

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cnmsales -
That 'end of the world' is a bit extreme until you've been there, THEN it seems like a very good description. Every situation is different, there really isn't a -simple- general "covers everything" type solution for the average person (wish there were!). You can go with a very broad "covers everything" type plan and adapt to the situation.
Amateur radio can be adapted to situations like that but it's far from being a 'good' solution. It isn't the willingness to do what has to be done that'll "get" you, it's the @#$ logistics!
 
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I think if you're fostering a bunch of kids and a major emergency strikes your community, calling anyone on the radio (or even grabbing the bag) is probably going to be dead last on your list of priorities in that moment.
 

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Shoot for $70 you can get a GMRS license good for ten years, and buy surplus commercial LMR radios that are far better performance than Chinese stuff. No test, no wait.
This recommendation is probably best for you and your family. Additionally, GMRS is the best route if you're not going to test for your Amateur license. You share frequencies with FRS radios as well, so you could hand out FRS radios to your family and chat away all nice and legal. This gives everyone experience with operating the radios...legally. With the GMRS license you can setup an improved radio (more power) external antenna as well, whether at home or mobile.

Although I have my Amateur license, obtaining the GMRS license is painless and I had my callsign within 24 hours. I did everything online. One member here even created a thread of the step-by-step process recently.
 
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