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Maxtracker mentioned something about a state-wide radio system upgrade for TX in the next "year or two".
Rebanding to 700mhz? Where can I get info on this? The Wiki for the Pro-96 says it IS re-banding capable, so can I expect a '96 to not be obsolete in a year or two for most of TX? I just got a BC396T off the FS forum. Will it still be capable of receiving when the new sys comes online?
 

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Maxtracker mentioned something about a state-wide radio system upgrade for TX in the next "year or two".
Rebanding to 700mhz? Where can I get info on this? The Wiki for the Pro-96 says it IS re-banding capable, so can I expect a '96 to not be obsolete in a year or two for most of TX? I just got a BC396T off the FS forum. Will it still be capable of receiving when the new sys comes online?
The Pro-96 is "re-banding capable" only in the sense that you can enter, via software (Win96) custom tables that will allow you to receive rebanded Motorola Type II systems in the 800mhz band. See the Wiki article for a more complete discussion of rebanding. The BCD396T is capable of receiving the 700mhz systems now, as well as rebanded 800mhz, with the latest firmware updates installed.

What the Pro-96 cannot do, with or without software, is trunk track a system in the 700Mhz range. It can receive, conventionally, these frequencies, if that band is "opened up", via software (Win96 again), but it will not track conversations on a trunked radio system using those frequencies. The Austin system has one site currently (110, Central Austin) using 700mhz. Houston (city) is apparently in the planning stages of possible a new trunked system (from reading posts posts here). That's likely to be 700mhz, since that band is currently the largest block of available spectrum space for new systems. The P25 version of STARNET has a number of 700mhz sites (again, Houston area, not your's as yet). Louisiana's statewide system, LWIN, has a large number of 700mhz sites.

Will there be a statewide 700mhz system? Can't tell you, no idea. With the current economic situation, any such plans could be changed. But, long term, you will see more 700mhz rather than less. So if you do want to add a Pro-96, be aware of it's limitations for future use, and don't over pay. Also, you are limited to only 150 talkgroups on a trunked system per bank. That might be enough for you, or maybe not. The PSR-500/Pro-106 can each hold several times that. The 396 has a limit of 200 per system, but you can enter the same system more than once if that's what it takes, since your total memory is approximately 6000 channels.
 

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Didn't know the 396T had been updated. But I am not following Uniden radio's like I used to either.

As I understand (Talking with Emergency Managers & Industry professionals) the State of Texas 700 system will not be Statewide. And is likely Several years away and still in planing stages. But it would only cover Metro area's and not rural area's. Additionally, Motorola Smartnet is no longer supported by Motorola. What that means for the owners of Smartnet Trunking systems? I can't say. But P25 is the focus now for most trunking systems. The 800 re-band was only to apply to Motorola "Legacy Smartnet" and was not to affect EDACS systems.

Many agencies are in the process of moving to 700Mhz. Trunked systems which will lead them away from Motorola Legacy Smartnet altogether. And the Pro-96 Can't trunk track 700Mhz "Trunked" systems. maybe this has changed. But if Radio Shack does not even Stock a Pro-96 anymore, I doubt it has. The 96 will only Track 700Mhz. Conventional, Which in Texas at this point is almost nothing since the 700 Inter-op plan isn't even in use yet.

To me, buying a PRO-96 is throwing money out the window. It was Radio Shack's first Generation Digital Scanner and now its old and out dated. Still works for some applications and needs but its future is limited. 3 months ago when I got my Pro-106 I knew very little about Digital Scanning. But I knew a lot about the GRE scanners and how they worked. (Pro-95/97) This New GRE Scanner (Pro-106) isn't like those at all, With the Scan lists the radio completely changes scanning.

I don't know dude, maybe the PRO-96 is for you. But to me and I think you also (IF you could see the bigger picture) It's throwing money away. You almost have to hear and see (and use) the Pro-106 before you really comprehend what it is, does and is capable of. Man, the Audio is just Crisp! I myself won't buy another "plain jane" scanner. My money (And many other peoples money) are being saved to buy the New Generation of Digital Trunk Tracking Scanners. Ask all the guys who own both, Investigate your future purchase. The 96 just isn't worth the effort.
 

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Thanks. Guess I'll work on getting my new BC396T up and running first. Sounds like the informed consensus is the Pro-96 is now outdated. Seeing as how in the Austin area, my BC250D and Pro-97 are pretty much obsolete, I might as well go for the latest technology. I've read a lot of good stuff about the '-106.
 

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I happen to have a unique perspective on this at the time.

I've recently started introducing "scanning" to a few friends of mine. For me it's an obsession they have seen me cope with for years now. For them it's a new hobby that is sparking interest. Depending on what stage you are in (or plan on ending at) you might be okay with just the Pro-96.

I have had the pleasure of owning both the Pro-96 and now, the PSR-500. For my purposes I can't see how I did without the PSR-500 for so long. But, depending on your requirements a Pro-96 might be just fine.

I started listening to Austin about 9 months ago I guess. I live close enough that I created a Pro-96 vscanner for them. When I traveled there (once or twice a month), the Pro-96 would do just fine with a few considerations. You have to understand you aren't going to be able to program in everything and expect to hear everything. As hiegtx stated, it only has 150 talkgroups per bank (which in reality is a lot). But for ease of listening you wouldn't make a whole bank of AustinPD (at least I don't). I made a few banks of APD broken down by districts, and also had the corresponding street response talkgroups. So immediately I had knocked out 6 banks (I always have one federal bank, one state agencies bank and one Texas DPS bank, + 3 APD banks). So now filling the last 4 banks was no problem. I found that I was wasting a lot of the available space of the Pro-96. It is possible (but requires extensive knowledge of button sequences), but you can go break things up by sub-banks to turn certain groups on/off. But this seemed to be a lot of work. To figure out how to best organize the banks, it took me a few weeks of climbing to the top of a parking garage (here in San Marcos, the highest point I could find that I could pull in the A/TC TRS). After awhile I had it situated. It can be done, but all of the file would be devoted to the A/TC TRS and wouldn't have space for LCRA (which is nice if you plan on visiting any lake/waterway around Austin), much less trying to squeeze in RR, Gtown, Travis Cty, etc.

But, if you don't care to listen to anything but APD ( as one of my friends does), you can just program in those talkgroups (I still broke them down by district), close the bank, and it works just perfect. If you don't close the banks, the system is so expansive you would be listening to unprogrammed talkgroups all day long. Since my friend isn't too crazy into scanning yet, it serves him perfect. He gets to hear why the police are forming outside his bar, and knows where not to put his nose. He doesn't need anything but a Pro-96.

However, someone obsessed with scanning (as I am I guess), couldn't do without the PSR-500/Pro-106. It has enough space for everything, and with its layout, is easy enough to navigate to certain lists (of which there are 20- imagine 20 banks), and open up many different talkgroups. I still get to have it broken down by districts and have enough room to include all the A/TC TRS I want to listen to as well as an LCRA site, a federal list, a state agencies list, a Texas DPS list (which is the whole statewide plan mixed with the A/TC talkgroups of DPS), + I still have room for all the FRS/GMRS/MURS/ISR frequencies and the AAR channel plan. All in one vscanner. It's amazing (not to mention, what I consider to be two huge abilities- NAC decode, which can really help identify a federal agency; RadioID display- which can really help you figure out how a TRS is organized).

There's a little insight. If you never get the Pro-96, and go straight for the PSR-500/Pro-106 you wouldn't know what you missed- you'd just know that your new scanner is literally "the sh*t." If you do get the Pro-96 understand what we have explained. Having had both I couldn't go back to a 96.
 

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I'll have to track down the document. It's buried in one of those legislative budget plans (perhaps on the DPS site), but it is on the internet. To install a state wide system and to interconnect and updgrade A/TC, ETMC, StarNet including helping to fund a proposed D/FW regional system was in the $1 - 2 billion range - that's billion with a "B" in two major phases over several years. So, a plan is out there, but the money is not.

The legislature is in session, so we should all feel safe, now. They're from the government ... they're here to help. :)
 
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I'll have to track down the document. It's buried in one of those legislative budget plans (perhaps on the DPS site), but it is on the internet. To install a state wide system and to interconnect and updgrade A/TC, ETMC, StarNet including helping to fund a proposed D/FW regional system was in the $1 - 2 billion range - that's billion with a "B" in two major phases over several years. So, a plan is out there, but the money is not.

The legislature is in session, so we should all feel safe, now. They're from the government ... they're here to help. :)
Is this the one you mean, Russell? Or a different one.

When the Texas Legislature is in session, keep a firm hand on your wallet! Or it may come up missing! :lol:
 

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That's one of them. But there is a bigger more complex .pdf file out there somewhere that gets into a lot more detail. Might be on NTCOG's site.
 

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Thanks to Gordo, EMT, Russell, Max and Heigtx. Some VERY interesting reading there.
I've got a BC396T on the way. I'm hoping it'll cover my needs for as long as it takes me to save up for an XT or PSR500.
 

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From time to time, the 106 will go to 399.99 or 299.99. watch Shacks website. The Uniden's rarely ever go on sale especially now that the XT is out, it'll hold in price for some time. the PSR500 and PRO-106 are virtually the exact same radio. They say the 396T has some audio issues on digital with "Motor boating" audio. I can't say anything on this as I don't own one. But that's a better choice of Scanner than blowing your money on a 96.
 
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