Unknown P25 BEE00.8A4 system. Indiana, Ohio, Maine?

[scannerboy02]

I believe, don't quote me on this as I'm not 100% sure, only Motorola uses BEE00. If it's BEE__ (or anything else) it's likely some other system. I have seen a Motorola system that was not installed by Motorola using BEE01 (Roseville, California is a Motorola system but was installed by the cities IT department). Harris will ~usually~ use numerics for the WACN, no A, B, C, D, E or F hex values. Harris also ~usually~ sets the RFSS and site ID to be the same for each site.

 

[west-pac]

I believe, don't quote me on this as I'm not 100% sure, only Motorola uses BEE00. If it's BEE__ (or anything else) it's likely some other system. I have seen a Motorola system that was not installed by Motorola using BEE01 (Roseville, California is a Motorola system but was installed by the cities IT department). Harris will ~usually~ use numerics for the WACN, no A, B, C, D, E or F hex values. Harris also ~usually~ sets the RFSS and site ID to be the same for each site.

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I thought Motorola was BEE00 also; and if that's the case, then this unknown system is not Randolph county. Randolph county has racks of Kenwood equipment at their sites.

 

[scannerboy02]

I believe, don't quote me on this as I'm not 100% sure, only Motorola uses BEE00. If it's BEE__ (or anything else) it's likely some other system. I have seen a Motorola system that was not installed by Motorola using BEE01 (Roseville, California is a Motorola system but was installed by the cities IT department). Harris will ~usually~ use numerics for the WACN, no A, B, C, D, E or F hex values. Harris also ~usually~ sets the RFSS and site ID to be the same for each site.

After doing a little more research this morning it appears Harris does use alpha and numeric hex values for WACN IDs but they appear to start mostly with 92___ and a few 91___. Not to take this too off topic but the "logic" to the WACN IDs is something I have been interested in figuring out. From what I have seen in the LITTLE research I have done on the subject so far it seems to not have much logic to it at all but I have to think that somehow these WACN IDs are being coordinated by someone.

 

[mikewazowski]

Try this thread: Tool to Calculate WACN & System ID or Call Sign

 

[west-pac]

I went looking for this system today. It is NOT Randolph County's new 3-site Kenwood P25 simulcast system.

BEE00.8A4 is located somewhere near the Indiana/Michigan border, east of Sturgis,MI/ Lagrange,IN.

 

[AM909]

FWIW, in the last year or so, of the 17 systems I've logged in the Inland Empire of Southern California, all but 1 (91FE5-105) are BEE00. There was additionally, briefly, one apparent test site on 00003-002.

On some brief surveys in LA county in the last couple months, I picked up an additional five BEE00 systems, plus 92065-0D5 and 92806-00A.

 

[sonm10]

I believe, don't quote me on this as I'm not 100% sure, only Motorola uses BEE00. If it's BEE__ (or anything else) it's likely some other system. I have seen a Motorola system that was not installed by Motorola using BEE01 (Roseville, California is a Motorola system but was installed by the cities IT department). Harris will ~usually~ use numerics for the WACN, no A, B, C, D, E or F hex values. Harris also ~usually~ sets the RFSS and site ID to be the same for each site.

Minnesota's ARMER is Motorola and uses BEE07.40F

 

[GTR8000]

It's extremely rare to find a Motorola ASTRO 25 system that doesn't use the BEE00 WACN (or some minor derivative such as the ARMER system), and likewise to find a non-MSI system that does use it. There are a few that deviate from that pattern, but not a whole lot.

 

[scannerboy02]

From some additional research on WACN IDs, I have seen a few references to BEE00 being the default WACN. I'm not too sure if this is true or not yet but it could explain why so many systems use BEE00.

From my personal experience all of the BEE00 systems *I* have seen have been Motorola.

 

[scannerboy02]

What frequency(s) are you hearing voice traffic on? This could help with finding the location a bit.

 

[GTR8000]

From some additional research on WACN IDs, I have seen a few references to BEE00 being the default WACN. I'm not too sure if this is true or not yet but it could explain why so many systems use BEE00.

Not true, there is no such thing as a "default WACN". Even Motorola's own software doesn't default to BEE00 when you create a new system, but rather 00001.

 

[scannerboy02]

Not true, there is no such thing as a "default WACN". Even Motorola's own software doesn't default to BEE00 when you create a new system, but rather 00001.

Thank you. As I said I wasn't sure if this was true or not. I figured something along the lines of 00001 would be more likely.

 

[west-pac]

What frequency(s) are you hearing voice traffic on? This could help with finding the location a bit.

Voice traffic is on 770.10625 and 771.33125. The only voice traffic I've heard is system coverage testing, only on Saturday mornings. I've searched all 3 freqs, in all 3 states (Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio). There is no FCC license for those 3 frequencies on one license in any of those states.

 

[AM909]

There is no FCC license for those 3 frequencies on one license in any of those states.

From a licensing standpoint, Ohio has an active statewide public safety 700 (SL) license for the whole 769–775 MHz band (WPTZ770), as does Michigan (WPTZ773).

Indiana's statewide license, WPTZ769, was cancelled (at their own request AFAICS) in 2015.

Not sure why/when agencies bother with licensing separate site-based licenses instead of just using the SL license.

WPTZ773 has a pending application since 2019 with an attachment that may be useful, though not for this case.

There are 53 such statewide licenses in the range WPTZ761–WPTZ811 plus WPTZ852 and WPUC245, for 50 states plus DC, PR, and VI. 13 are cancelled and 40 are active. There are some other SL licenses in there (AR has several) and some leasing going on that I didn't look into.

 

[GTR8000]

From a licensing standpoint, Ohio has an active statewide public safety 700 (SL) license for the whole 769–775 MHz band (WPTZ770), as does Michigan (WPTZ773).

Indiana's statewide license, WPTZ769, was cancelled (at their own request AFAICS) in 2015.

Not sure why/when agencies bother with licensing separate site-based licenses instead of just using the SL license.

WPTZ773 has a pending application since 2019 with an attachment that may be useful, though not for this case.

There are 53 such statewide licenses in the range WPTZ761–WPTZ811 plus WPTZ852 and WPUC245, for 50 states plus DC, PR, and VI. 13 are cancelled and 40 are active. There are some other SL licenses in there (AR has several) and some leasing going on that I didn't look into.

The SL licenses do not cover the entire 700 MHz narrowband spectrum, that's why SY licenses are still required for the frequencies that are not part of the state allocation.

 

[west-pac]

I think I may have found it, at least a good possibility. https://wtvbam.com/2021/09/17/209619/

The Michigan RRDB Branch county page says Branch county is joining MPSCS in 2021.

 

[west-pac]

@Thunderbolt , Do you have anyone in, or around Branch county, to look for this system?

 

[west-pac]

This system and site -IS- in Branch county, Michigan. A definitive statement.

 

[Thunderbolt]

This system and site -IS- in Branch county, Michigan. A definitive statement.

Yes, we will give it a listen up here.

73's

Ron

 

[mikewazowski]

Discussion can be continued here: Branch County P25 TRS Testing