(USMA) West Point FD fireground

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Anyone know what the West Point Fire Department uses for fireground comms? I know their Dispatch now is on the USMA trunked system, and that they carry VHF P25 portables for the TRS. I notice that they are going mutual aid alot more to the neighboring towns so I was curious what they use for firefighter use on the fireground scene. I was thinking maybe they had a VHF-Military simplex frequency for this. I have been wondering since the big cliff rescue that was on the news recently where NYPD aviation assisted them.

If anyone knows, please respond,
 

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I wold assume if they are going Mutual Aid to a neighboring dept they would either use the county's fireground freqs or use the dept they are assisting freq
 

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NYPD Aviation has multiple radios of all bands in their helicopters that can be programmed on scene by the pilots for whatever frequency they need to operate on. This was done several years ago due to the increase in mutual aid for NYPD aviation to the coast guard,NJ,LI,CT. and others to make it easier to coordinate on scene.
 

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NYPD Aviation has multiple radios of all bands in their helicopters that can be programmed on scene by the pilots for whatever frequency they need to operate on. This was done several years ago due to the increase in mutual aid for NYPD aviation to the coast guard,NJ,LI,CT. and others to make it easier to coordinate on scene.

I am familiar with the helicopter radios, and yes they do have capabilities in all bands.

However, I was looking for the simplex fireground frequency used daily by West Point FD (separate from the dispatch talkgroup on the trunked system).

Any West point firemen on here?
 

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West Point firefighter radios don't work

(CLICK ON LINK TO ACCESS CHANNEL 7 VIDEO FOR STORY)

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Military radios are the first line of defense protecting the military elite, our future Army officers, should anything go wrong, anywhere on the sprawling campus of West Point Military Academy.

Like this past winter, when two cadets got stranded on a mountain ledge or when a fire ripped through officer housing a few years ago, this digital radio system is what federal fire and rescue crews rely on to communicate.

But there's a problem: the radios don't work.

As a mayday test shows, a call for help or critical instructions to firefighters can be hard to hear.

"Being in a burning building and being called out of a building, it's serious, and the guys rely on this radio system and it's not functioning," said Paul Cheski, President of West Point Firefighters Union.

Ever since its installation 5 years ago, the digital radio system has become so unreliable that West Point firefighters have at times given up and abandoned their use.

"Communication was terrible. There was times we had to use personal cell phones to communicate with either command or dispatch to make sure all our, we were coordinating tactical objectives correctly," said Arthur Lanzer, a West Point Firefighter.

West Point declined an on-camera interview, but in a statement says they are working on solutions to the radio problems and have been since 2008.

A spokesperson also says this is a complex issue and they've reached out to several military agencies to try solving it.

But Eyewitness News' investigation has discovered West Point isn't the only elite military academy plagued by faulty emergency radios.

Eyewitness News' investigation brought us to the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland where federal fire fighters say the same problems with garbled digital radios put them and the Naval cadets at risk.

"We rely on our radios as much as we can, but we often find the need to send a runner, sometimes that runner goes all the way back to the command post, sometimes they just go to an exterior of the building, where they can receive a signal and transmit," said Gregg Russell, National Capitol Firefighters.

Eyewitness News has learned this digital radio system is being used at military installations all over the country. A review of government documents show repeated failures occur daily.

The frustration among first responders fill the pages: One writes, "Sooner or later somebody is going to be seriously injured or maybe even killed."
 

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Hmmm.. Radio in a Coffee Cup holder? And you expect it to work flawless? :wink:

West Point firefighter radios don't work

(CLICK ON LINK TO ACCESS CHANNEL 7 VIDEO FOR STORY)

NEW YORK (WABC) -- Military radios are the first line of defense protecting the military elite, our future Army officers, should anything go wrong, anywhere on the sprawling campus of West Point Military Academy.

Like this past winter, when two cadets got stranded on a mountain ledge or when a fire ripped through officer housing a few years ago, this digital radio system is what federal fire and rescue crews rely on to communicate.

But there's a problem: the radios don't work.

As a mayday test shows, a call for help or critical instructions to firefighters can be hard to hear.

"Being in a burning building and being called out of a building, it's serious, and the guys rely on this radio system and it's not functioning," said Paul Cheski, President of West Point Firefighters Union.

Ever since its installation 5 years ago, the digital radio system has become so unreliable that West Point firefighters have at times given up and abandoned their use.

"Communication was terrible. There was times we had to use personal cell phones to communicate with either command or dispatch to make sure all our, we were coordinating tactical objectives correctly," said Arthur Lanzer, a West Point Firefighter.

West Point declined an on-camera interview, but in a statement says they are working on solutions to the radio problems and have been since 2008.

A spokesperson also says this is a complex issue and they've reached out to several military agencies to try solving it.

But Eyewitness News' investigation has discovered West Point isn't the only elite military academy plagued by faulty emergency radios.

Eyewitness News' investigation brought us to the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland where federal fire fighters say the same problems with garbled digital radios put them and the Naval cadets at risk.

"We rely on our radios as much as we can, but we often find the need to send a runner, sometimes that runner goes all the way back to the command post, sometimes they just go to an exterior of the building, where they can receive a signal and transmit," said Gregg Russell, National Capitol Firefighters.

Eyewitness News has learned this digital radio system is being used at military installations all over the country. A review of government documents show repeated failures occur daily.

The frustration among first responders fill the pages: One writes, "Sooner or later somebody is going to be seriously injured or maybe even killed."
 

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Well hopefully they weren't using the trucked system or in digital mode while on a fireground...Fireground ops should be done on analog simplex
 

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Digital radio+scott pack=bad news....This digital crap might be nice but has proven it is not the best...a simple fix for this issue is just reprogram the radio with a analog simplex channel.
 
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I wonder if anyone has done studies on signal penetration of various structural materials while they are burning to see if there are any differences.
 

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A little birdie told me West Point would like to switch to a UHF repeater for ops similar to what was done in Highland Falls with a UHF analog simplex fireground or two. They could also piggy back on HFFD's link to Orange 911 to call out to county. I'm told HFFD's Chief is a West Point firefighter.

HFFD finally dumped EDACS leaving Middlehope as the only department left on 800. Rumor has it they might be abandoning it as well.

Soon these departments will realize that analog simplex is what should be used for fireground operations. Digital and trunking is a big no no. The County even has a full UHF simplex channel plan in effect. It's just a matter of departments getting on board and using it.
 
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