in about 4 years you will. Use HDtune or crystal disk info to read the SMART data.
WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Drive
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about HW raid cards...
They're still costly for a reason- the "HW" raid on upper consumer Mobos is still software raid and hasn't near the redundancy capabilities of a dedicated raid card. Think of it like this: is the mobo goes out=sol. Not with a well made ($$) raid card...ESP. The ones which use sas (not sata) drives. I did have good luck on my old i7-920 (asus rampage extreme) running a 4 drive raid 5.
I don't know how necessary a dedicated raid card is for a 3-6 drive system, but for the best data retention when all goes bad, a card is still bees-knees. A NAS box is your best bet.
One neat thing is storage spaces in win 8+. Can't attest to reliability but being able to "raid" multiple drives with all sorts of specs is cool stuff.
They're still costly for a reason- the "HW" raid on upper consumer Mobos is still software raid and hasn't near the redundancy capabilities of a dedicated raid card. Think of it like this: is the mobo goes out=sol. Not with a well made ($$) raid card...ESP. The ones which use sas (not sata) drives. I did have good luck on my old i7-920 (asus rampage extreme) running a 4 drive raid 5.
I don't know how necessary a dedicated raid card is for a 3-6 drive system, but for the best data retention when all goes bad, a card is still bees-knees. A NAS box is your best bet.
One neat thing is storage spaces in win 8+. Can't attest to reliability but being able to "raid" multiple drives with all sorts of specs is cool stuff.
CapStar362
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WD Blue is the MOST notorious drive on the market to fail..... ive worked on more PC's both laptop and desktop with Blue drives failed than ANYTHING!!
get a Intellipower/Green or Black before anything blue!!
get a Intellipower/Green or Black before anything blue!!
I had a WD blue 320 GB and barely used the damn thing and it stopped working on me. I was out of the warranty period too so I couldn't replace it. I had a 50 dollar gift certificate for Amazon so I put have payed less than that for the thing.
I used HDD Regenerator on it and did multiple passes and was able to recover about 80% of my data.
I used HDD Regenerator on it and did multiple passes and was able to recover about 80% of my data.
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delaware74b
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FWIW, I have a 5-year old WD Black 500GB in my desktop computer. Been on 24/7 most of the 5 years, originally setup under XPx32 for 2 years. The last 3 years it has been setup with win7x64. Smart data on the drive is good, no pending bad sectors, etc. This desktop is mainly used as a server, music and laptop backups live on this drive.
Most failures I have seen are from dropped laptops, not actual drive failures. I have seen failures in all brands.
I like the WD warranty on the black series. I can cross-ship a warranty drive replacement for $80 temporary charge on my business credit card. They will send a drive out for $80 until they get the defective drive. I have had to do this only one time. I exclusively use black series for replacements in both desktops and laptops.
Most failures I have seen are from dropped laptops, not actual drive failures. I have seen failures in all brands.
I like the WD warranty on the black series. I can cross-ship a warranty drive replacement for $80 temporary charge on my business credit card. They will send a drive out for $80 until they get the defective drive. I have had to do this only one time. I exclusively use black series for replacements in both desktops and laptops.
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i also have the Black series, but mine is a 750 w/ 64MB Cache
I just use SSD anymore. I have a G.Skill sniper SSD that has over 4 TB written to it and has been on for over 12,000 hours and it's still ticking! And get this! It's a Sandforce drive! :lol:
I use HDTune and Hard Disk Sentinel to check my drives. But I have seen people do surface tests and read SMART data that showed no problems yet the drive failed.
I do have a 1 TB Toshiba external back up drive I partitioned off into three sections for cloning of my machines. The desktop only has a 128 GB SSD and the HDD is 500 GB where the temp files and other crap remain.
I think you will get more use out of a red series drive. These are enterprise drives.
I use HDTune and Hard Disk Sentinel to check my drives. But I have seen people do surface tests and read SMART data that showed no problems yet the drive failed.
I do have a 1 TB Toshiba external back up drive I partitioned off into three sections for cloning of my machines. The desktop only has a 128 GB SSD and the HDD is 500 GB where the temp files and other crap remain.
I think you will get more use out of a red series drive. These are enterprise drives.
Whoa..! 12,000 hrs. That's great. About WD Red- there are WD Reds and WD RE4 "reds". I did some looking into them last year when building my new machine. Reds were brand new at the time. They don't have the 5 yr. Warranty the blacks do, I think they're 3 yr. Also, reds are 5400rpm, vs RE4s 7200 rpm. The RE4s were cost prohibitive at the time. Also, since I run a recording studio, the RE4 can be a bit noise-y but any studio in which tracking will happen should have a soundproof outcase-cabinet (also $$$). Part of the eternal annoyance of any HDD is: I've had so many of the 1-2TB "economy" WD externals...some are 5 years old and working fine. I've had 2 which died after a few weeks. Currently I have for the boot drive a (sad! company is gone) ocz-vertex 4. No complaints. It seems when it comes to all things non-volatile solid state storage related, Samsung is king (minus the exotic enterprise stuff which costs so much it boggles the mind). I haven't read 1 bad anything about Samsung 840 Pro SSDs. Dream setup would be (and it's a dream alright!) 4x 1TB Samsung 840s running in raid.
One thing that I'm going to try is the ram-disk. I bought 32GB of DDR3, expecting the price to remain cheap. Whoops! Price has doubled! Still, with many sales, soon I'll grab another 32GB kit. A lot of ppl are quick to point out how 32, no less 64gig of ram is absolutely ridiculous, for audio however, in particular those who do film/media soundtracks or use things like VSL vstis for their music, 64GB in some cases isn't enough!
Having fast drives (SSDs) solves the problem for audio programs that use direct streaming from disk. Some don't support DSD (not that DSD! direct-streaming-disk) need the ram...
But back on/t, I've read how using 32GB of ram as a ram (cache) disk can have crazy good results as far as speed is concerned. Any experience with this?
My mobo has the option to install a SSD to be used only as a cache as well. I don't know anyone who's tried that. It would be super cost effective if it worked, as a 64GB SSD is all that's needed.
(Also, have you had luck with toshiba drives?)
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One thing that I'm going to try is the ram-disk. I bought 32GB of DDR3, expecting the price to remain cheap. Whoops! Price has doubled! Still, with many sales, soon I'll grab another 32GB kit. A lot of ppl are quick to point out how 32, no less 64gig of ram is absolutely ridiculous, for audio however, in particular those who do film/media soundtracks or use things like VSL vstis for their music, 64GB in some cases isn't enough!
Having fast drives (SSDs) solves the problem for audio programs that use direct streaming from disk. Some don't support DSD (not that DSD! direct-streaming-disk) need the ram...
But back on/t, I've read how using 32GB of ram as a ram (cache) disk can have crazy good results as far as speed is concerned. Any experience with this?
My mobo has the option to install a SSD to be used only as a cache as well. I don't know anyone who's tried that. It would be super cost effective if it worked, as a 64GB SSD is all that's needed.
(Also, have you had luck with toshiba drives?)
-Ty
CapStar362
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some of the RE4 and RED drives will know what your installing and even ive seen a couple of Enterprise drives, simply REFUSE a install, based on what Chipset its attached to. Seagate is also notorious for loading firmware with Desktop Chipset HW-ID's that they will know that a desktop "Non-Server/DVR" setup is being used, and will fail to load into the OS Setup as a drive.
I have a RAM drive for the laptop for the temp directory since there is a SSD and I want to minimize writes, but seen as how I have over 4 TB of writes it hasn't even phased the drive. LOL
RAM drives are super fast and have intended to create one to install games into.
RAM drives are super fast and have intended to create one to install games into.
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