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Town board just approved the purchase of radios with grant funding plus the monthy access fees of $17XX.xx/mo
West Seneca is going to Saia Net
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joespca
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weird a lot of police are going with Saia. Wonder why not P25 system. I know cost is cheaper but interpretability isn't there with DMR
It was talked about here a bit. They aren't the only ones too. From what I read in various places and know, the WHOLE City of Lackawanna is, East Aurora PD did, and I believe a few others are "looking at it".
http://forums.radioreference.com/threads/change-coming.450242/post-3762433
As we all know, Erie County dropped the ball years ago. Over the years, they have doubled down their efforts to maintain analog interoperability between agencies, while Erie County themselves (ECSO, ESU, and Building Security) migrated to P25 conventional. UHF repeater pairs are a hot commodity in Erie County. Remember, we are close to Canada, and RF doesn't just stop at the border. Between here and there, it's jam-packed right now. Without a whole lot of reorganizing, everyone getting along, and potentially giving up some frequencies for the greater good of the county, there is almost no viable path to have enough repeated pairs to build out a P25 TRS, which is what they should have started years ago. So, in turn, we have a hodge-podge county of a mix of almost everything, between DMR, NXDN, P25, analog, VHF-Hi, UHF, and 800s.
So, in comes Saia with their TRBO Con+ system (with a plan to go TIII in the future). Being a wide-area TRS, they have the infrastructure, coverage desired, and interoperability capabilities all within their system. So, in my eyes, WSPD's options are to upgrade their existing analog VHF-Hi system with new site equipment and radios, as theirs are in rough shape (just listen to it one night, and all you hear is "unreadable" from dispatch), build out your own UHF analog or INSERT YOUR FAVORITE DIGITAL FLAVOR HERE and try and get a UHF pair, or don't reinvent the wheel, pay a monthly fee and get on a system that already exists, and have no worries about maintaining your repeaters, getting a frequency, etc.
The interoperability is there, just not the direct interoperability I'm thinking you are thinking. I believe it was discussed elsewhere on that thread that there are TGs (just seldom used, as not a lot of agencies actually use them) for CW PD, ECSO, and whomever else you'd want. It's interoperability through their system, not your radio per se.
Migrating to SaiaNet is a solution for their problems that stem from a lack of a countywide or regional public safety system. I don't 100% love the idea; in a perfect world, going to a private company TRS isn't my first choice for public safety agencies. That's not a dig at them at all. They can clearly handle it, have been around a while, do good work, and are offering a solution no one else has yet. But, in this very real situation, I'm not against it and have actually recommended a few to check it out, as it could be a viable solution for their issues too.
http://forums.radioreference.com/threads/change-coming.450242/post-3762433
As we all know, Erie County dropped the ball years ago. Over the years, they have doubled down their efforts to maintain analog interoperability between agencies, while Erie County themselves (ECSO, ESU, and Building Security) migrated to P25 conventional. UHF repeater pairs are a hot commodity in Erie County. Remember, we are close to Canada, and RF doesn't just stop at the border. Between here and there, it's jam-packed right now. Without a whole lot of reorganizing, everyone getting along, and potentially giving up some frequencies for the greater good of the county, there is almost no viable path to have enough repeated pairs to build out a P25 TRS, which is what they should have started years ago. So, in turn, we have a hodge-podge county of a mix of almost everything, between DMR, NXDN, P25, analog, VHF-Hi, UHF, and 800s.
So, in comes Saia with their TRBO Con+ system (with a plan to go TIII in the future). Being a wide-area TRS, they have the infrastructure, coverage desired, and interoperability capabilities all within their system. So, in my eyes, WSPD's options are to upgrade their existing analog VHF-Hi system with new site equipment and radios, as theirs are in rough shape (just listen to it one night, and all you hear is "unreadable" from dispatch), build out your own UHF analog or INSERT YOUR FAVORITE DIGITAL FLAVOR HERE and try and get a UHF pair, or don't reinvent the wheel, pay a monthly fee and get on a system that already exists, and have no worries about maintaining your repeaters, getting a frequency, etc.
The interoperability is there, just not the direct interoperability I'm thinking you are thinking. I believe it was discussed elsewhere on that thread that there are TGs (just seldom used, as not a lot of agencies actually use them) for CW PD, ECSO, and whomever else you'd want. It's interoperability through their system, not your radio per se.
Migrating to SaiaNet is a solution for their problems that stem from a lack of a countywide or regional public safety system. I don't 100% love the idea; in a perfect world, going to a private company TRS isn't my first choice for public safety agencies. That's not a dig at them at all. They can clearly handle it, have been around a while, do good work, and are offering a solution no one else has yet. But, in this very real situation, I'm not against it and have actually recommended a few to check it out, as it could be a viable solution for their issues too.
And what P25 system would that be? It's a hell of a lot cheaper to lease radios and airtime on SaiaNet than it is to build out a new local or countywide P25 system. And by a hell of a lot cheaper, I'm talking tens of millions of dollars cheaper, even over the long run when you add up the ongoing cost of leasing.
Andy summed up the rest of it from the perspective of a very knowledgeable local who works in public safety in the county.
This reminds me of all of the public safety agencies that were/are on NYCOMCO's EDACS systems in the lower Hudson Valley. Yes, EDACS was more of a public safety grade system than TRBO is, but at the end of the day it was a private commercial system operated by a private commercial outfit, much like SaiaNet is.
Oh and as for interoperability, the radios SaiaNet leases or agencies are purchasing are all capable of good old analog FM. You don't need P25 to have interoperability, despite what APCO has been shoving down people's throats for decades.
Erie County Wide PD, Fire, EMS, are also TG on SaiaNet, so the interoperability is clearly there.
BITT211
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Erie County Fire on UHF analog , must be on analog so Motorola Pagers work
Yes, they are on UHF, cross patched to specific TG, so there is access, interoperability, with the trunk system
Echoing that, CW PD, CW Fire, CW EMS, EC Fireground, EC Interop AND the UCALL/UTAC/IR channels are ALL ANALOG, something the XPRs are capable of doing, even if SaiaNet didn't have the patches. One thing every radio being used here, and in Public Safety is, regardless of manufacture, is ANALOG.
I'm pretty sure that isn't the reason why CW Fire is analog....
The largest problem for Erie County is the 9 million people who live directly across the border. Everything from 139-900 MHz is in use.
BITT211
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canada is Yes ,a big problem clearing freq's with fcc. as soon as i get freq. infor for west seneca pd, will past it on
What "freq infor" ?? It was stated they are going on the existing SaiaNaet system.
The comment about Canadian coordination is about the issues with obtaining frequencies for a new system which is not the issue here.
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The funding is for WSPD, so FD is separate, but thanks for the heads up!
But....WSPD might just wanna listen to Fire
. You cannot scan conventional and Con+ TG's at the same time.... nothing to do with funding
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Looks like west Seneca is live on 503701
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A different thread says 513701...so which is it?
Sorry 513701
is west Seneca fire moving to the new system? Or staying on the uhf system
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