What is really above 800 Mhz?

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safetyobc

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I have been looking into getting a different scanner for other listening. I have a BC246T and a BCD396T. I have never really scanned above 800 public safety. What is up there? I know 900 has some business type radio stuff but I'm talking up at 1300 or 2000 or even 3000 MHz. I've been researching the Icom R3, R5, R10, R20, and AOR and Alinco DJX10T and DJX-2000T. A couple of those are out of my price range but still reading up on them.

Also, I see some with a bottom freq of 500 khz and some with 100 khz. What will I miss out on if I get the 500 instead of the 100 khz?

Thanks for any info.
 

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As a general rule of thumb there is nothing worth listening to above 940 MHz.
There may be some narrowband FM ham communications but everything else is
fixed point-to-point microwave links, air navigation aids, satellites, radar, etc.,
that use various wideband digital, analog mulitplexed, pulse modulation, etc.
Some of these signals are several MHz or more wide so even if scanners and
consumer type receivers cover those ranges you still can't demodulate or hear anything.

Go to the NTIA site and get the spectrum allocation chart
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.html
 

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As far as below 500kHz, mostly navigational beacons. There may be some rare longwave CW, but Idoubt you'll hear anything, and I think most of the old longwave communication has gone by the wayside. There may be some European broadcasters down there as well. The military still (I think) maintains the ground wave emergency network (GWEN), but very little use. The old Navy ELF system was decommissioned. In short, you probably won't miss much.

Jim
 

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So I guess my question now is what is above 500Khz and 30Mhz (minus CB) that I will hear (with the right antenna of course)?
 

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safetyobc said:
So I guess my question now is what is above 500Khz and 30Mhz (minus CB) that I will hear (with the right antenna of course)?

If you don't have single side band (SSB) capability all you will hear is a few AM broadcast radio stations and most of them are religeous stations beaming into 3rd world countries.

Government and almost all ham radio contacts use SSB below 30 MHz. It is a shame the 330 did not include SSB capabiity.
 

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So if it says it has SSB in the modes, then I'll be okay? And what is broadcast on SSB? Sorry for the ignorance. I have been public safety monitoring only for 2 years and never ventured out of those bands.

Thanks for all the replies and any further info.
 

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safetyobc said:
So if it says it has SSB in the modes, then I'll be okay? And what is broadcast on SSB? Sorry for the ignorance. I have been public safety monitoring only for 2 years and never ventured out of those bands.

Thanks for all the replies and any further info.

Most activity is in the Ham bands, but there are many government and aircraft (long range) communications there. During Katrina many of the government channels were very active.

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There is a lot of military aircraft on SSB such as USAF on 11.175 and all Coast Guard aircraft are on 8.983 or 5.696. Other military stations are spread all around the HF band.
 

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Voyager said:
Most activity is in the Ham bands, but there are many government and aircraft (long range) communications there. During Katrina many of the government channels were very active.

Joe M.

That is exactly what I am looking for! Thanks! Now anyone want to suggest a receiver? I am looking at a few that are in my price range (will be selling the 246T to fund this) Icom R5, R10, possibly an R3. I like the R20 but it is too pricey at this point and the R10 looks very nice. Alinco DJ-X10, the DJ-X2000 is nice but also very pricey. Couldn't find a price on the DJ-X10. Or maybe other good hh that I haven't listed.
 

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This is like jumping into scanning for the first time!! I've got some researching to do. The DJ-X10 on the link above says "Imagine -- listen to local or worldwide AM broadcasters; SSB communications (in 50 Hz fine tuning steps!)" but down in the modes it only says "all-mode reception (AM, WFM, NFM, USB, LSB, CW)" It doesn't list SSB.

Is SSB and USB the same thing? And the DJX10 will definately receive the SSB right?
 

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SSB mode is either upper sideband (USB) or lower sideband (LSB), not simply 'SSB'. In effect, it splits the frequency in two (though I'm sure somebody will disagree with that simplication)
 

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So if a receiver says LSB and USB then I'll be okay then. Also, I see some recievers say they have an internal Bar antenna to help with the lower freqs. Does the DJ-X10 have that? Is it needed for SSB reception using just the hh and no external antenna? I realize reception even with a bar antenna won't be great but it would be nice to be able to use it when not around the house.
 

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I would expect the bar antenna would only help you on a really strong signal, such as AM broadcast band. Would not count on much help on the shortwave unless 'skip' was really rolling or the source was close. An external antenna of some sort would be best. Remember you're talking wavelengths in feet, not inches here. You'd get better reception (handheld) probably with a telescoping antenna, but that sort of defeats the portability of the unit since you have to be carefull not to put too much strain on the antenna mount.
 

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I did not see an internal bar antenna listed as a feature on the DJ-X10's specs.
 

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This site may help with some of your choices.
http://www.monitoringtimes.com/html/reviews.html

VFO - Variable Frequency Oscillator, (50 cent term for tuning dial, this is a bit of an oversimplification, but you get the picture). I'm not familiar with the model in question but to venture a guess, dual VFO's should allow you to monitor two bands simultaneously. In some dual band ham radios, VHF/VHF, VHF/UHF, and UHF/UHF operation is possible. These radios list dual VFO's as a feature. Just a guess on my part but it may help.
MS
 

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There is more to HF (below 30 MHz) than some disaster frequencies and religious broadcasting. Radio Moscow, the BBC, and the "shortwave" broadcasting of many other foreign countries are located here. These stations can be very interesting listening. In much of the world standard AM and FM stations are far too far away for practical purposes so the shortwave bands are used. European car radios used to have HF bands in them as they are in more widespread use over there. Then there are the UTE's or shortwave utility stations. Here you find ships at sea, air traffic control over the oceans beyond VHF range, oil platforms, the Coast Guard, research and mineral exploritory expiditions, and similar where VHF/UHF doesn't work for long distance communications. A lot of the routine traffic has been reduced with the use of satellite phones and satellite data communication so you won't hear a distant camp going through 45 minutes of a supply order, but what is left is often more interesting. Just click onto the HF listening forums on this website to get a start. I'm not as current on SWL (shortwave listening) as most of the posters on those threads are so I can't really give you any specifics.

Don't underestimate the value of an antenna for a radio. Hams generally agree 50% is a good figure for your antenna's contribution to your station. It is a different world for antennas below 30 MHz. The internal bar antenna for HF is almost worthless. A long random wire or simple dipole under the eaves, in the attic, or on the ceiling can do quite well.

Make sure that any radio you get has "fine tuning" or a method to turn the dial or enter a frequency in mutiples of at least 100 Hz, or better in multiples of 10 Hz. To illustrate using some examples that you are probably familiar with, remember that 800 MHz frequencies are spaced every 12.5 kHz, or 12,500 Hz and for example 868.5125 would actually be 868,512,500 Hz so mutiples of ten would be 868,512,500 Hz to 868,512,510 Hz or 868.5125 MHz and 868.51251 MHz and mutiples of 100 would be 868,512,500 Hz (868.5125) to 868,512,600 or 868.5126 MHz. Of course below 30 MHz we are talking of one and two place numbers such 2.1250 MHz and 14.4350 MHz. Single sideband uses spacing of 2.2 kHz so you can see how important a fine tuning feature is.

If you have a chance to try out a radio with HF coverage tune in 2.5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz and listen for the National Bureau of Standards time broadcasts on stations WWV (Fort Collins, CO) and WWVH (Hilo, HI). These are not only extremely close to being on frequency but utilize Bureau of Standards atomic clocks. If you can't hear these signals then the radio is almost worthless as these are fairly strong signals.

I hope this sheds some light on the subject of HF for you.
 
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