OwenGroszkowski
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Hi I’m trying to program my Motorola XTS 5000 to be a trunking scanner when I go into Trunking system in the Astro 25 cps it won’t let me select Astro 25 it only comes up with II
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XTS-5000 trunking scanner
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It's not a scanner.
I suggest you buy a scanner, or read up on non affiliate scanning - and the perils & pitfalls of trying to do so w/o the requisite knowledge.
Hopefully (for you) it doesn't get inhibited and turned into a nice XTS5000 shaped brick. The information is out there in several threads, and in many separate channels on the youtubes.
Thar be dragons.
I suggest you buy a scanner, or read up on non affiliate scanning - and the perils & pitfalls of trying to do so w/o the requisite knowledge.
Hopefully (for you) it doesn't get inhibited and turned into a nice XTS5000 shaped brick. The information is out there in several threads, and in many separate channels on the youtubes.
Thar be dragons.
While it can be done, there are MANY steps to carefully take. A heavy learning curve that took even me months.
First step is being able to read the radio and the proper version of CPS to do it.
"SAVE EVERYTHING". this gives you a fall back if things go sour.
Next is READ, a LOT about scanning with this radio, Go over the many youtubes that cover this. You are not done until you get the idea
of how this works and the sequence of steps. Somthing you will need is ALL the info you can find on the system(s), site(s) of interest.
Now you are ready for CPS and starting with a new codeplug.
Note, The XTS5000 does not support phase II, Phase I only.
One good thing is the rotary switch can be programmed for TX inhibit. Don't trust just that, work up your codeplug so your 16 channels
ar conventional. The rest is the detailed NAS steps. one foot in front of the other lest you fall on your face.
The easy way around all this is suggested by a417. I also use DSD+FastLane. Not portable but does a lot more.
Best of luck.
First step is being able to read the radio and the proper version of CPS to do it.
"SAVE EVERYTHING". this gives you a fall back if things go sour.
Next is READ, a LOT about scanning with this radio, Go over the many youtubes that cover this. You are not done until you get the idea
of how this works and the sequence of steps. Somthing you will need is ALL the info you can find on the system(s), site(s) of interest.
Now you are ready for CPS and starting with a new codeplug.
Note, The XTS5000 does not support phase II, Phase I only.
One good thing is the rotary switch can be programmed for TX inhibit. Don't trust just that, work up your codeplug so your 16 channels
ar conventional. The rest is the detailed NAS steps. one foot in front of the other lest you fall on your face.
The easy way around all this is suggested by a417. I also use DSD+FastLane. Not portable but does a lot more.
Best of luck.
chrismol1
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probably doesn't have astro 25 9600 baud trunking enabled as flashcode feature so it won't be an option to select ASTRO 25
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
I understand the appeal but do yourself a massive favor and buy a scanner.
If you need help setting it up, you lack essential knowledge required to make it a truly "safe" scanner and thus should not do it.
Buy a scanner. Stay out of legal trouble. Easy.
If you need help setting it up, you lack essential knowledge required to make it a truly "safe" scanner and thus should not do it.
Buy a scanner. Stay out of legal trouble. Easy.
While I am inclined to agree, there are those that have invested a couple hundred $$ to over a $K in these surplus radios.
As long as they are available and programming software/cables, People will buy.
Most of those just don't have the funding to invest in scanners with the similar abilities over the cost of surplus radios.
SO, sitting there with a radio in hand and thinking [Why spend more money on a scanner]
I have a hundred radios acquired over a couple decades, a rack of programming cables and gigabyts of software.
My cheapest setup is radio dongles and DSD+FL that will monitor PS from city to government. That is what I use.
50+ years working in radio engineering, 20+ of that directly with LMR and I needed help programming some of these newer
surplus radios.
People that ask before splurging, I would suggest a scanner or SDR setup.
Cheers.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
I get it. I've literally never owned a trunking SCANNER. I've always used Motorola or Harris radios for trunked scanning duties, but I know them well enough and know all the tricks to make them do it safely. I still will not recommend that newbies do the same thing.
Motorola's radios are designed to interact with the trunked systems and there is no true RX only functionality designed into them. You have to know how to break certain functions with intentional programming errors (from the perspective of someone who programs them "normally", that is, as a transmitting member of the system) which break all transmit functionality while still allowing it to receive properly. And the method used changes with different system types. And it involves usage of software tools of questionable legality which are NOT openly available.
No, I'm not going to help a newbie navigate this maze of traps so he can be one of the cool kids. (Higher grade nerd)
Motorola's radios are designed to interact with the trunked systems and there is no true RX only functionality designed into them. You have to know how to break certain functions with intentional programming errors (from the perspective of someone who programs them "normally", that is, as a transmitting member of the system) which break all transmit functionality while still allowing it to receive properly. And the method used changes with different system types. And it involves usage of software tools of questionable legality which are NOT openly available.
No, I'm not going to help a newbie navigate this maze of traps so he can be one of the cool kids. (Higher grade nerd)
chrismol1
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Important to 'break' that transmit is definitely need to make the scan list Selected Chan instead of Talkback, sit on the conventional channel with its personality set to Receive Only. So if anything comes across and PTT is pressed it won't talkback to the trunked nor transmit on the conventional with a PTT button press, along with a few other things can be done beyond that
Well, As Elroy said, this is not an undertaking for a novice with programming these radios and agree there is a maze of things to know before even connecting a programming cable.
I am taking a dive into MotoTrbo and GEEEZ, I will be a while.
I am taking a dive into MotoTrbo and GEEEZ, I will be a while.
If you never owned a scanner, how did you figure out what talkgroups to program? Or maybe I know the answer that you probably shouldn't talk about lol....
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
I rely mostly on the RR database. I have some alternative data sources as well. Once upon a time I used to run a laptop with a radio, data slicer, and trunker software. But that was a long time ago.
I've also been able to update my files by picking up radios that got surplussed out by various counties and cities. While most are wiped, some always get through with programming intact. Most often the ones that were broken and condemned as "unrepairable" but that's usually no obstacle to me fixing them.
I've also been able to update my files by picking up radios that got surplussed out by various counties and cities. While most are wiped, some always get through with programming intact. Most often the ones that were broken and condemned as "unrepairable" but that's usually no obstacle to me fixing them.
Besides RR database, I use DSD+ to get as much information on a site of interst, then after having done a lot of reading, put together a band plan, then a codeplug. The latter may take several changes to have it work the way it should.
Is the 9600 enabled in the FC ? Thats the first thing you need to look at. If not, it wont work. Another thing to look at is you will need to have a sys key. There are several ways to do that. You will have to find that resource on your own. I cant tell you how to do it, it violates the forum rules. You will also need to understand the system you want to monitor. TG's,CC's,BP's etc. You also need to know how to program the radio correctly to not xsmt on the system. There are threads and videos out there.
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