I think the color in combination with the door decals and other livery can be trademarked, but I think that they would be hard pressed on just the color. It is Dupont 24160 or Dulux 93-032 and readily available.
FCC consent decree on unauthorized use of MPSCS
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I think the color in combination with the door decals and other livery can be trademarked, but I think that they would be hard pressed on just the color. It is Dupont 24160 or Dulux 93-032 and readily available.
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I forwarded the document posted in the link to the State e.c. and n8cam was, was a deputy district e.c. for Roscommon and Grayling areas.
The state e.c. was shocked and wasn't aware he was arrested, or charged until i forwarded the document.
So Do You Feel Better Now That You Had to Go Out of Your Way to be a RAT--Some People Just Cant Mind their Own Business
A little strong, isn't it? If it affected you, wouldn't you want something done about it?
I have to side with Edgar. He has no business involved in any kind communications role. Now that his ham license is no longer valid he really has no business at any level. Oh you don't have to capitalize every word..
What are You the Spelling Cop--1st Off It Didnt Effect Me--2nd Once Again there was No Real Proof Voice Wise Presented in the Case--3rd--4 Pages of He Definately Did It / He Didnt Do It / and Whatever Else---The Kid Got the Fine--Got it All Taken Away--We On Here Dont Have to Keep Beating Him Up--Certain People on Here Acts Like a Radio Cop & an Armchair Lawyer
Grow Up--Mind Your Own Business---The Damage is Done--Remember there is a thing called Defimation of Character
Grow Up--Mind Your Own Business---The Damage is Done--Remember there is a thing called Defimation of Character
Part of being a grown up is making sure the right thing is done.
Defamation of character involves spreading misinformation about someone, not spreading truth/fact.
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Of almost 1000 transmissions, they lasted an average of almost 5 seconds.
You know the system logs EVERYTHING. The operators know the difference between an affiliation and a channel grant( an actual user initiated PTT) and that the duration of the transmissions are also logged.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
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No But Maybe You Do--Why Dont You Go Back and Read the Last Line in the Paragraph in Your Post 18---After That Maybe Drop in on Post 30 and 38 and Maybe a Few Others
Another Michigan State Police officer specializing
in the organization’s radio equipment subsequently inspected the seized radio and determined that it was able to connect with, and operate on, the MPSCS because the device was a “clone” of an infrequently
used radio belonging to Oscoda County, Michigan, that was authorized to operate on the MPSCS. As a
“clone,” the device in Mr. Thurston’s possession operated using the same radio identifier code as the
Oscoda County radio. Because the MPSCS recognized the code transmitted by Mr. Thurston’s radio as
belonging to the authorized Oscoda County radio, the system permitted Mr. Thurston’s radio to make and receive transmissions on the state-wide network
OK How Do You Know The Txmissions Didnt Come From the Original Radio (Maybe Someone Over There Was Playing Games) and This Kid Got Caught Up--Whatever it is and Was the Damage Control is Done
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I Find it Comical on How People Say This {quote Post 49--Cameron had no problem flaunting his radios on Facebook. It was only a matter of time before someone let the MSP know he had a radio that was on the system)
And How Many on Here Flaunt Their Pics of all Their Portables and Shack Pics--I can View a Few---I Guess its Ok For People on Here but When it Comes to Someone Else its Not--(like I said Radio Police Again)
No But Maybe You Do--Why Dont You Go Back and Read the Last Line in the Paragraph in Your Post 18---After That Maybe Drop in on Post 30 and 38 and Maybe a Few Others
Another Michigan State Police officer specializing
in the organization’s radio equipment subsequently inspected the seized radio and determined that it was able to connect with, and operate on, the MPSCS because the device was a “clone” of an infrequently
used radio belonging to Oscoda County, Michigan, that was authorized to operate on the MPSCS. As a
“clone,” the device in Mr. Thurston’s possession operated using the same radio identifier code as the
Oscoda County radio. Because the MPSCS recognized the code transmitted by Mr. Thurston’s radio as
belonging to the authorized Oscoda County radio, the system permitted Mr. Thurston’s radio to make and receive transmissions on the state-wide network
OK How Do You Know The Txmissions Didnt Come From the Original Radio (Maybe Someone Over There Was Playing Games) and This Kid Got Caught Up--Whatever it is and Was the Damage Control is Done
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I Find it Comical on How People Say This {quote Post 49--Cameron had no problem flaunting his radios on Facebook. It was only a matter of time before someone let the MSP know he had a radio that was on the system)
And How Many on Here Flaunt Their Pics of all Their Portables and Shack Pics--I can View a Few---I Guess its Ok For People on Here but When it Comes to Someone Else its Not--(like I said Radio Police Again)
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Having not run a P25 trunked system, I'm not familiar with how it works, but I'd like to know the answer to this, also.
There are ways to "fingerprint" transmitters, but I haven't read that they did that.
I do know on NexEdge trunked systems, each radio has a unique ESN along with a programmable radio ID, so it's possible to differentiate even cloned radios.
If you wanted to look at this -just- from the FCC side of things, simply having the radio programmed to transmit on this system, even if he didn't transmit, is still a violation of 90.427.
This has become what politely is known as a spitting contest. It's obvious that the authorities haven't released all of their information. The bottom line is, no one here knows. Some participants in this forum are beginning to look foolish by arguing about the unknown.
All it's going to take is a couple of more rounds before the moderators take action.
All it's going to take is a couple of more rounds before the moderators take action.
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What is up with all the capitals. It's annoying.
What about my post?
Re-read my post again. EVERYTHING IS LOGGED.
There is likely(most likely actually is) a saved template for the RID assigned to Oscoda County. Any affiliations to talk groups, or channel grants requested by that RID that are not programmed into the legit radio, are by default, his cloned RID. It is not rocket science to be able to figure out what transmissions are the legit radio, and which transmissions are not.
It was also a RID that was "of an infrequently used radio." It sounds like the radio was a 'cache radio' or something similar.
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Everything apparently was logged except the voice traffic.
I think the evidence as presented in the consent is circumstancial at best. If it were a cache radio, it probably has most if the important TG's installed in it anyway. Who is to say there aren't two, or twenty cloned radios on that same ID? Was any audio recorded to bolster the evidence? Apparently not or it would have been revealed.
Usually these cases start out with a jamming complaint. In this case it started with a dodgy traffic stop, a warrantless search and property siezure, and the reverse engineering a circumstantial case of operating on the system.
It would be as if the FBI knew you had an unusual calibre weapon, of which only a handful had been made, they set up a sting to seize your weapon, then connect you to 10 murders using weapons of that same calibre, without any supporting ballistics evidence.
By the way, I ran across a YouTube video of someone explaining how to clone a radio on MPSCS, so there is that.
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Tom ,Thank you sir
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Not to defend his actions, if he indeed caused interference, but....
He had to plead guilty to qualify for the HYTA.
It seems to me that the FCC did not hold up their end of the bargain by publishing the consent decree. It is supposed to be expungement and to afford privacy.
I know someone that had a far more serious federal charge, got proper representation. Works in a very sensitive job and nobody except friends knows about the crime.
Read and see what you think. It is supposed to be a plea deal sealing the record of the alleged offense.
https://www.michigancriminallawyer-blog.com/2018/05/hytaoverview.html
If he has a decent lawyer, I would expect he would be livid of the FCC publishing that consent decree and would be requesting a sit down with the Judge to discuss potential recourse and revision to the decree.
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Yeah, I read up on the HYTA, pretty interesting.
But it would have been pretty easy to show that the radio had not been cloned, and was incapable of affiliating with the system.
Either way, a good reminder to those that think the rules do not apply to them. Glad to see the FCC had the wherewith-all to pull his amateur license.
But it would have been pretty easy to show that the radio had not been cloned, and was incapable of affiliating with the system.
Either way, a good reminder to those that think the rules do not apply to them. Glad to see the FCC had the wherewith-all to pull his amateur license.
This guy was an idiot. Sigh...
With that said, lots of talk about control channel encryption. Yet, I don't believe there is a single P25 system in existence that has it's control channel encrypted. And I'd bet it is because the technology, while spec'd, does actually work yet.
With that said, lots of talk about control channel encryption. Yet, I don't believe there is a single P25 system in existence that has it's control channel encrypted. And I'd bet it is because the technology, while spec'd, does actually work yet.
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Nowhere is there any allegation that he actually transmitted voice or interfered maliciously with the MPSCS, the only allegation is the 989 x 4.8 seconds of key ups or affiliations.
Putting this into perspective, there are 31,536,000 seconds in a year. The only alleged damage is 989 x 4.8 seconds - 4747.2 seconds that a reportedly "seldom used" radio would be "denied access to the system". 4747.2/31,536,000, Or 0.015% unavailability.I doubt Motorola will guarantee that performance in the system signalling protocal.
But back to my point, the FCC violated his HYTA by publishing this Consent Agreement in the first place. If he had been a 14 year old kid, with lawyers for parents, we would not be reading any of this. His Lawyer needs to go back to the judge and get the probation conditions and penalties reduced or eliminated.
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