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for me, 70cm, is always 5- but how do i know if its plus or minus?
2m is always 600,, but how do know plus or minus?
You have to know the repeater input and output frequencies and whether or not adding the standard offset to the repeater output would mean the input is outside of the amateur band or repeater subband.

If the repeater output is:
145.11 to 145.49 use -600 kHz
146.01 to 146.39 use +600 KHz
146.61 to 146.99 use -600 KHz
147.01 to 147.39 use +600 KHz
147.61 to 147.99 use -600 KHz
440.0 to 444.99 use +5 MHz
445.0 to 449.99 use -5 MHz.

There are exceptions that can vary depending on your location, regional frequency coordinator, and other reasons.
Repeaters on 147.0 can be either + or - 600 KHz.
 
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thanks- what about GMRS? +5 always?

"Always" is a dangerous term.

"Usually" +5MHz. "Almost Always" "Every time except for that one guy…".

There was a GMRS repeater that used one of the 462MHz channels for output and the input frequency from a different pair. That essentially tied up slots of two repeaters (sort of…). It was a dirty trick by the repeater owner.

I'd say 99.99% of the time, you'll see a standard 5MHz offset. 462.550/467.550, etc...
+5MHz is the standard offset intended for GMRS.
 

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Sorry, didn't know you were Mac handicapped. https://gadgetstouse.com/blog/2021/04/08/fix-macos-cannot-verify-app-is-free-from-malware/

Can't help here, but I'm sure someone will come along. I'm not a Chirp user, but lots of guys in the local ham club are.
Lol, i brainfarted- went in and allowed after i unlocked. Now the only issue was getting Radioref to allow me to pull their freq's in. I got all 127 programmed tonight using repeater book and found the GRMS/FRS import in Chirp. All good- thanks again for everyones help.

@mmckenna- ill have to let that one digest to fully comprehend- i understand the idea, but why would he do that?
 

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@mmckenna- ill have to let that one digest to fully comprehend- i understand the idea, but why would he do that?

Could be a couple of reasons.
1. owner was an A.H.
2. owner was tired of the cheap radios/unauthorized users accessing the repeater.
3. maybe avoiding a specific interference issue.
4. who knows, sometimes people do things for weird reasons.
 

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Got one more- 462.575 GMRS- in the middle of a group tonight, i have the +5 programmed but cannot get anyone to hear me for a radio check.
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Any other reason i cant see? I tried with and without offset.
 

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Got one more- 462.575 GMRS- in the middle of a group tonight, i have the +5 programmed but cannot get anyone to hear me for a radio check.
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Any other reason i cant see? I tried with and without offset.

PL/DPL tone not correct.
Your not making into the repeater with a strong enough signal to be understood.
No one listening
No one wants to answer.

Be aware that GMRS repeaters are considered private property, and while you may be able to find the frequencies/tones to access them, the owner may not like someone showing up uninvited. Some repeaters are wide open and the owners will let anyone use them. Other consider them "closed" and won't like someone showing up and using it.
Usually a good idea to talk to the owner and get the programming info direct from them. RR database isn't necessarily accurate. It's filled with some unconfirmed data.

myGMRS.com: GMRS Repeater Directory and Community is a good resource. It'll often tell you if the repeater is "open", "closed" or "permission required". It'll usually have contact info for the owner.
 

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Boom, thanks a lot. Should i store both of these as separate channels?
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and would these both be +5? i cant find anything specific
 

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@mmckenna or anyone else: got another one for you- repeaterbook

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what is dstar? I know what it basically is, i dont know how to program in Chirp.

what is CSQ/CSQ tone? Not option in radio or chirp

what is CC1 tone? again, not in rad or chrp

NAC 293 88.5? not sure where to begin with that one

CC1 NAC combined- mind blown.

options in Chirp: none, tone, TSQL, DTCS and Cross

thanks
 

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@mmckenna or anyone else: got another one for you- repeaterbook
what is dstar? I know what it basically is, i dont know how to program in Chirp.
what is CSQ/CSQ tone? Not option in radio or chirp
what is CC1 tone? again, not in rad or chrp
NAC 293 88.5? not sure where to begin with that one
CC1 NAC combined- mind blown.

Without knowing the radio you are using, but based on the CHIRP options you shared, I would say your radio is not capable of DMR or P25.

NAC is the P25 version of the CTCSS, CC is Color Code for DMR radios. CSQ means no CTCSS. On entries like you ask about with multiple entries in the second column (like CC1 NAC), look at the end and see the type of systems in use (you'll see there are 4 systems for CC! NAC).

I will add here, a simple Google search will get you the answers you need on system types and terms you ask about. While the forums are here to help you if you run into issues, it is not a teaching resource like the RR WIKI or many excellent sites on the web. You'll get better answers if you try to learn through other sources and ask questions here when you get stuck. Not being snarky, just trying to help you learn how to best use the forums.
 

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@mmckenna or anyone else: got another one for you- repeaterbook

what is dstar? I know what it basically is, i dont know how to program in Chirp.

Yeah, I think we need to know what sort of radio you have. D*Star is a digital mode specific to amateur radio. Not many radios support it.

what is CSQ/CSQ tone? Not option in radio or chirp

Carrier Squelch. That's means no tone/ctcss/dcs/dpl/pl/etc…. squelch. Just wide open. Probably described as "none" under the PL settings for your radio.

what is CC1 tone? again, not in rad or chrp

Color Code. That's a squelch system specific to DMR.

NAC 293 88.5? not sure where to begin with that one

NAC is specific to P25. 88.5 is 88.5Hz one of the standard PL tones. When you see both like that on a repeater, it is probably a "mixed mode" repeater that will do P25 -or- Analog.

CC1 NAC combined- mind blown.

Yeah, no idea what that would be. Sounds like DMR/P25, but not aware of any repeaters that will do that.

options in Chirp: none, tone, TSQL, DTCS and Cross

thanks

Ah, yes, more "standard" terminology:

None = No tone/digital squelch. Just open squelch so you'll hear everything on the frequency. Think: CB squelch….
Tone = Probably referring to just plain old PL/CTCSS squelch tones
TSQL = Tone Squelch = CTCSS/PL/QT/CG/Tone/etc…..
DTCS = Digital Tone Squelch System = DCS/DPL/DQT/etc….
Cross = might be a mix of PL on input, DPL on output.
 

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@nd5y I have. For almost 2 days as well as submitting error report to them on a python issue it seems everyone there knows about, but has not fixed (mac)

I have been trying to get Chirp working again today with no luck until i restarted and updated my mac (i have nothing more t update so i am worried about closing the program at this second)- it was fine yesterday after i allowed the security to be bypassed. So not only cannot i not get in to Chirp regularly, i cannot get my debug logs out of terminal either, or even run python via terminal to fix the connection to radio reference.com.

I have read every post on Chirp about this issue, and there has been no clear fix.

I was going off this https://wiki.radioreference.com/images/0/0a/CHIRP_tone_programming.pdf , but i could not find the relation to the correct fields in Chirp.

Apologies and will get better at using the forums.

again thanks @mmckenna
 

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Here are the radios - from an earlier post. Baofeng Uv5r and a Wouxun KG-uv9g pro and wouxun UV9D plus

I quickly browsed the specs of all 3, they are analog only HTs. They can't decode or encode digital signals such as DMR, P25, DStar, System Fusion, PMR, NXDN. Digital signals are different from encrypted signals. But, lets not drift into those weeds at this time.
 
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