Part 95 GMRS radio list

[OffTheRadar]

Wouxun KG-805G @ 5.1 watts: https://fccid.io/WVTWOUXUN16

Wouxun KG-805G GMRS Two Way Radio

The Wouxun KG-805G is the radio that professional GMRS users have been waiting for. It's a true business quality radio designed with the needs of the GMRS power user in mind!

www.buytwowayradios.com

 

[N2DLX]

Retevis RT97 Portable Repeater certified for 5W 2ASNSRT97 https://fccid.io/2ASNSRT97
Retevis RT76 HT certified for 4.47W on 2ASNSRT76 https://fccid.io/2ASNSRT76

We sell both on the myGMRS Shop. I think the RT97s are going to explode in popularity. While they may be crippled down to 5W compared to the 10W Ham version (might be some kind of handheld rule at 5W they were trying to work around, being so portable), they will be great emergency repeaters to throw up in a tree with a solar panel. They have little 10W notch duplexers in them tuned to the GMRS band. Another reason for the lower TX power could be to allow the notch duplexer to work across the band so you can change channel without retuning. I'd have to look at the notch width to see if that's really doable or not. The one I looked at was marked 462/467.600 and the radio tuned to 550 with a default tone of 136.5 Hz. Also, these are not just 2 handhelds in a case. There's an integrated radio module, it just looks like the LCD is reused off their portable radios.

Retevis has several FRS-certified radios too, some up to 2W, but these are the only GMRS ones I know of.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Just some thoughts to latecomers to this thread.

When searching the FCC database or FCCID.io to see if a particular radio is Part 95 (or Part 90) certified, take a close look at the "Grant" which the FCC issues. A GMRS radio should be capable of wide band modulation +/- 5.0 KHz deviation.

This will be shown as 16K0F3E or 20K0F3E in the emission designator column.

You might see other emission designators like 11K3F3E or less. These are narrow band radios with deviation of +/- 2.5 KHz or lower.

Midland radios and many Chinese radios are offered only in narrow band.

A radio can have both wide band and narrow band emission designators and that will be reflected on the FCC Grant.

Also pay attention to the power output. GMRS radios are permitted 50 watts at the terminal where the antenna attaches. Portable radios will have a lower power output, usually 5 watts or less depending upon the battery and the design.

It is unfortunately common to see power outputs in the fractions of a watt down to a few milliwatts. These are likely to be combo FRS/GMRS radios with a fixed antenna rated in Effective Radiated Power ERP. The antenna loss and the low power of these radios is reflected in these small values.

The grant will list the FCC Rule Parts or subparts where the radio is permitted to operate, such as Part 90, or 95, 95E etc

It is also common to see different FCC ID numbers attached to same radio, so beware it might have different power, or other parameters than you are seeking. Many radios only have a Part 15 certification meaning they are imported to be sold for ham radio use. Some will say Part 9 which is totally a bogus certification.

 

[AK9R]

Many radios only have a Part 15 certification meaning they are imported to be sold for ham radio use.

Not quite. Radios sold for amateur radio use (Part 97) do not need FCC certification except for separate power amplifiers. However, many amateur radios do have Part 15 certification as scanners. Any receiver that can scan radio channels in the VHF-UHF spectrum must have Part 15 certification as a scanner to attest that they cannot scan cordless or cellular phone frequencies.

 

[WRHY894]

Unfortunately hams have apparently have gotten limited to Radios that ONLY transmit on ham frequencies. That is one reason why I decided to go the GMRS route!
Things got shook up almost 2 years ago, but I am new to the party. I went with the GMRS-V1, so I can dual band scan and still talk to FRSers on 4X4 outings, hear any hams in our group and get NOA reports. I bought off EBay, a set of 2 Watt-1/2 Watt-5 Watt version. They dropped the max power to 2 Watts on the latest version. And the earlier versions started of at channel Zero, which was Channel 1. Firmware so could not be changed.

I almost went with a mobile station, but they are not allowed to have the 1/2 Watt channels, Limiting options with the FRS crowd.
The HT is less expensive and can become a mobile unit minus the up to 50 Watt power, of course.

I do wish there were non- repeater GMRS only channels though.

TERA TR-505 looked interesting(MURS supposedly being better out of the city), but did not know about the D version. While you could still program MURS channels, both models could only have a total of 16 channels and that included NOA , if you wanted that.

The Retevis RT76 also looked interesting, All 30 GMRS channels, but nothing else.

Before I new better, I bought a Baofeng UV-82HP (is only part 15B, not SAR tested) and was ready to take my ham test, when I found the following:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-980A1.pdf

Did the FCC just make Baofengs illegal? Short answer: NO!

www.kb6nu.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/9je48g

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The 82HP has a 7/8Watt high power, I will keep it for SHTF I guess

 

[NAVSEABE]

Unfortunately hams have apparently have gotten limited to Radios that ONLY transmit on ham frequencies. That is one reason why I decided to go the GMRS route!
Things got shook up almost 2 years ago, but I am new to the party. I went with the GMRS-V1, so I can dual band scan and still talk to FRSers on 4X4 outings, hear any hams in our group and get NOA reports. I bought off EBay, a set of 2 Watt-1/2 Watt-5 Watt version. They dropped the max power to 2 Watts on the latest version. And the earlier versions started of at channel Zero, which was Channel 1. Firmware so could not be changed.

I almost went with a mobile station, but they are not allowed to have the 1/2 Watt channels, Limiting options with the FRS crowd.
The HT is less expensive and can become a mobile unit minus the up to 50 Watt power, of course.

I do wish there were non- repeater GMRS only channels though.

TERA TR-505 looked interesting(MURS supposedly being better out of the city), but did not know about the D version. While you could still program MURS channels, both models could only have a total of 16 channels and that included NOA , if you wanted that.

The Retevis RT76 also looked interesting, All 30 GMRS channels, but nothing else.

Before I new better, I bought a Baofeng UV-82HP (is only part 15B, not SAR tested) and was ready to take my ham test, when I found the following:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-18-980A1.pdf

Did the FCC just make Baofengs illegal? Short answer: NO!

www.kb6nu.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/9je48g

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The 82HP has a 7/8Watt high power, I will keep it for SHTF I guess

Yep the Feds be putting the squeeze on HAMMERS..... Many quietly moving to GMRS.
Only to learn the FEDS be putting the squeeze on companies selling GMRS handhelds.

Take the TYT8000E cross band transceiver for example. It had 5watt L 10watt H with 136-174 and 400-520MHz. (which allowed use on General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) and as all knows, GMRS uses channels around 462 MHz and 467 MHz.

Then lately TYT quietly limit the UV8000E frequencies to 144-148 and 420-450MHz with notation label inside battery compartment: "Device must be restricted to occupational use to satisfy FCC RF exposure compliance. See owners manual for specific operating requirements."
Guess this prohibits/eliminates new TYT UV8000E cross band transceivers from transmitting on (GMRS)
Note: Responsible licensed GMRS users don't transmit on frs channels 8-14 with 5watts.

 

[nd5y]

Unfortunately hams have apparently have gotten limited to Radios that ONLY transmit on ham frequencies.
...
I do wish there were non- repeater GMRS only channels though.

I don't know where you came up with those ideas but they are both wrong.

Hams can use any type of radio whether or not it has any type of FCC certification.
There are 22 GMRS channels that can be used without repeaters.

 

[03msc]

I don't know where you came up with those ideas but they are both wrong.

Hams can use any type of radio whether or not it has any type of FCC certification.
There are 22 GMRS channels that can be used without repeaters.

Yeah, I read that and was thinking..."uhh....huh?" lol People get some wrong information, either told wrong or just understand wrong, and then state it as fact, unfortunately. But, they likely genuinely think they're right.

 

[mmckenna]

Then lately TYT quietly limit the UV8000E frequencies to 144-148 and 420-450MHz with notation label inside battery compartment: "Device must be restricted to occupational use to satisfy FCC RF exposure compliance. See owners manual for specific operating requirements."
Guess this prohibits/eliminates new TYT UV8000E cross band transceivers from transmitting on (GMRS)
Note: Responsible licensed GMRS users don't transmit on frs channels 8-14 with 5watts.

The reason they are limited to the amateur radio bands is because the FCC rules specifically prohibit Part 90 and Part 95 radios from having front panel programming/VFO features accessible to the end users.

Chinese manufacturers have been ignoring the FCC rules and shipping the radios anyway. US based dealers don't care, they just want to make a buck.

Often there are ways to "open up" the radios, but that voids the FCC type certifications, and if someone actually wanted to be "responsible", they'd know that it voided the certification. But many do it anyway.

 

[NAVSEABE]

The reason they are limited to the amateur radio bands is because the FCC rules specifically prohibit Part 90 and Part 95 radios from having front panel programming/VFO features accessible to the end users.

Chinese manufacturers have been ignoring the FCC rules and shipping the radios anyway. US based dealers don't care, they just want to make a buck.

Often there are ways to "open up" the radios, but that voids the FCC type certifications, and if someone actually wanted to be "responsible", they'd know that it voided the certification. But many do it anyway.

Oops. Apparently unlocking the frequency range on the TYT UV8000E is available in it's programming software. My bad.
So........ the new TYT UV8000E cross-band transceivers can function as a repeater, work on FRS/GMRS using power limitations to 5watts on channels 1-7 and 10watts (up to 50watts) on channels 14-22.

With a FCC ZA - General mobile radio (GMRS) license and using 5watt low and 10watt high, cross-band handheld transceiver on approved channels. What could go wrong?

Oh...... Ya'll do know there are 30 GMRS channels with a bandwidth of 25 kHz (20 KHz authorized bandwidth) or 12.5 kHz........... Right?

 

[mmckenna]

Oops. Apparently unlocking the frequency range on the TYT UV8000E is available in it's programming software. My bad.
So........ the new TYT UV8000E cross-band transceivers can function as a repeater, work on FRS/GMRS using power limitations to 5watts on channels 1-7 and 10watts (up to 50watts) on channels 14-22.

Yes, they can work as a cross band repeater, but that's only going to be effective on the amateur radio side. It's not going to do any good on the GMRS side. And FCC rules specifically don't allow cross banding between MURS and GMRS. Good deal if you are a ham, not so much if you just have a GMRS license.

With a FCC ZA - General mobile radio (GMRS) license and using 5watt low and 10watt high, cross-band handheld transceiver on approved channels. What could go wrong?

Well, see above. You can't legally cross band between Part 90 and GMRS, ham and GMRS, or MURS and GMRS. GMRS license or not, it's only going to be useful on amateur radio frequencies. Unless the radio has a valid Part 90 certification, and the user has a valid FCC license, and the license allows mobile extender use, it's not going to be very useful.

Oh...... Ya'll do know there are 30 GMRS channels with a bandwidth of 25 kHz (20 KHz authorized bandwidth) or 12.5 kHz........... Right?

Of those 30, 8 are only for repeater inputs.

 

[nd5y]

Oh...... Ya'll do know there are 30 GMRS channels with a bandwidth of 25 kHz (20 KHz authorized bandwidth) or 12.5 kHz........... Right?

Of those 30, 8 are only for repeater inputs.

The other 7 channels on 467 MHz are limited to 12.5 kHz bandwidth, 0.5 W, and no external antenna, the same as FRS.

 

[NAVSEABE]

Yes, they can work as a cross band repeater, but that's only going to be effective on the amateur radio side. It's not going to do any good on the GMRS side. And FCC rules specifically don't allow cross banding between MURS and GMRS. Good deal if you are a ham, not so much if you just have a GMRS license.



Well, see above. You can't legally cross band between Part 90 and GMRS, ham and GMRS, or MURS and GMRS. GMRS license or not, it's only going to be useful on amateur radio frequencies. Unless the radio has a valid Part 90 certification, and the user has a valid FCC license, and the license allows mobile extender use, it's not going to be very useful.



Of those 30, 8 are only for repeater inputs.

Yes..... 8 are for GMRS repeaters, for GMRS users.

Perhaps one missed the "On approved channels." part. Or perhaps not.
The approved channels would be: GMRS to GMRS 5W and 50W approved channels. Didn't include FRS/MURS or HAM.

Bottom line: GMRS is growing and handhelds have a big market share. The TYT UV8000E is also sporting a 3600mAh Battery.

When SHTF or the Zombies show up down hill. Take to the high ground and repeat.

U.S. manufactures need to catch up.

 

[mmckenna]

Yes..... 8 are for GMRS repeaters, for GMRS users.

Perhaps one missed the "On approved channels." part. Or perhaps not.
The approved channels would be: GMRS to GMRS 5W and 50W approved channels. Didn't include FRS/MURS or HAM.

Right, however in band repeat doesn't work well when you have at the most, 5.175MHz of spacing. Usually we shoot for 20MHz or more and some expensive filtering as well as lots of antenna separation in any sort of in band mobile extender type of setup. Hopefully you were not assuming that using one of these radios as a mobile repeater was going to work on GMRS?

U.S. manufactures need to catch up.

They are far ahead. Issue is most consumer/hobby users do not want to pay for it.

 

[03msc]

If someone is going to be serious about GMRS I would hope they would be serious about the radios they purchase to use on GMRS and not buy junk.

 

[mmckenna]

If someone is going to be serious about GMRS I would hope they would be serious about the radios they purchase to use on GMRS and not buy junk.

Low cost Chinese radios seem to be the answer for most. I'm OK with that if they meet the specs and have legitimate Part 95 certifications. They seem to be good entry level radios.
However, they are not "superior" in any way. There's a lot of good new and used name brand radios that have Part 95 certs that will easily out perform them. I used Icom, Kenwood and Motorola for many years when I was active on GMRS.

 

[Hans13]

Issue is most consumer/hobby users do not want to pay for it.

I resemble that comment.

 

[NAVSEABE]

Right, however in band repeat doesn't work well when you have at the most, 5.175MHz of spacing. Usually we shoot for 20MHz or more and some expensive filtering as well as lots of antenna separation in any sort of in band mobile extender type of setup. Hopefully you were not assuming that using one of these radios as a mobile repeater was going to work on GMRS?



They are far ahead. Issue is most consumer/hobby users do not want to pay for it.

Ha! The TYT UV8000E works just fine as a repeater on "Selective" GMRS channels.
Got three hand-held's ........ Put on on ridge top. Clear at 10 miles. Will try 15 and 20 miles soon. Use for short term during emergencies with family.
Concur U.S. made hand-held's and basses have better components at 2.5 the price?

Thinking of going with a Midland for Truck and base at farm. Hand-held's in the field, on the tractor, and in the bush.
Don't communicate with many nor want to. Selective few as a matter of fact.

 

[Hans13]

Ha! The TYT UV8000E works just fine as a repeater on "Selective" GMRS channels.
Got three hand-held's ........ Put on on ridge top. Clear at 10 miles. Will try 15 and 20 miles soon. Use for short term during emergencies with family.
Concur U.S. made hand-held's and basses have better components at 2.5 the price?

Thinking of going with a Midland for Truck and base at farm. Hand-held's in the field, on the tractor, and in the bush.
Don't communicate with many nor want to. Selective few as a matter of fact.

I'm not clear on what you are describing. Are you saying that it works fine as an in-band repeater or that it works fine as a cross-band repeater?

 

[mmckenna]

Ha! The TYT UV8000E works just fine as a repeater on "Selective" GMRS channels.

In band or cross band? And kindly explain "Selective" GMRS channels to us.

And are you aware that radio doesn't have any type certification on the transmitter? That means that the only legal place to transmit with it is on the amateur radio bands.