Parts required for pump panel speaker/mic jack

[ryan81986]

So we're looking to add a remote speaker and microphone to the pump panel of our new engine that is about to be built. I was looking to use the HSN4040A speaker and the HMN1089 mic however I can't find any remote mic jacks on Motorola's website. The mobile that we will use will be the APX4500. Does anyone happen to have the part # for the jack and any other required parts that we can write into the spec?

Thanks in advance.

Sample photo of what we're looking to do below:

 

[Project25_MASTR]

I've not done this without using a secondary control head or using something like an X10DR Wireless speaker microphone.

 

[nhfdcadet]

So we're looking to add a remote speaker and microphone to the pump panel of our new engine that is about to be built. I was looking to use the HSN4040A speaker and the HMN1089 mic however I can't find any remote mic jacks on Motorola's website. The mobile that we will use will be the APX4500. Does anyone happen to have the part # for the jack and any other required parts that we can write into the spec?

Thanks in advance.

Sample photo of what we're looking to do below:


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you can use an RJ45 box, and pin the other end of the cable to the accessory connector of the radio with PTT and ext mic etc, then use a CDM mic.
APX6500 Accessory Connector this thread has some info on the connector

 

[krokus]

Is there a reason for not using a remote control head at the pump panel?

 

[Tech21]

Have a remote control head installed in the panel. It will have the necessary connections for both the mic and speaker. Have the builder give you a cable path for the control cable to the radio. Power for the control head can be run to the nearest fuse box.

 

[buddrousa]

As stated above why would you spend $500,000.00 on a custom firetruck and not do the right thing and install a dual head radio in the firetruck?

 

[crazyboy]

Depending how far you have to go you could use a PMKN4034A and cut the radio end off to wire it into the rear connector on the radio.

Another way to do this is shielded cat5 and an RJ45 jack. Either use a microphone that already has an RJ45 connector, or cut the connecter off the mic you have already and crimp on an rj45 connector.

 

[P25Radio]

Do it right use a secondary control head, this way you have volume and channel changing capabilities .

 

[GlobalNorth]

As stated above why would you spend $500,000.00 on a custom firetruck and not do the right thing and install a dual head radio in the firetruck?

The apparatus is now nearly finished and someone failed to spec it at the time of design and final authorization for build out?

 

[buddrousa]

We buy apparatus then install the radios after we get the apparatus in that way we are dealing with our own radio shop.

 

[Deziel0495]

you can use an RJ45 box, and pin the other end of the cable to the accessory connector of the radio

We did that with one of our pumpers after having it for a few years. It does the trick but like others said no ability to control volume or channels. Plus we've always found it causes feedback with others on the fireground because the radio in the cab is cranked. We chose not to do this with the new pumper we got last year. Instead, the pump operator just carries a portable with him. It has a headset if they choose to use it.

Remote head would be the way to go if you can afford it. We couldn't, so we went with the RJ45 box.

 

[12dbsinad]

Wow, people still install pump panel radios? That's like so.... 1970's. There is an innovative thing called a portable radio and speaker mic that everyone carries anyway. That way, you don't get feedback and you're not limited to the range of the mic cord and speaker.

For sure, if you want it, go with a dual head set-up with a head in the pump panel. You can do it after the truck is built, it's done all the time.

 

[DanRollman]

Wow, people still install pump panel radios? That's like so.... 1970's. There is an innovative thing called a portable radio and speaker mic that everyone carries anyway. That way, you don't get feedback and you're not limited to the range of the mic cord and speaker.

For sure, if you want it, go with a dual head set-up with a head in the pump panel. You can do it after the truck is built, it's done all the time.

Right but how do you sell (buy) more hardware if people actually use the hardware they already have? I mean we can't keep asking the city council for more money if we can't find more stuff to spend it on, right? And, you know, "life safety" and all that. People could die! Surely there is an NFPA rule we can cite to tell the councilmen that using our portable radio at the pump panel violates NFPA and OSHA rules and... people could die! I mean is it even intrinsically safe to do that? Have we commissioned a study? Plus, we'd fall two ISO classes without the pump panel radio. Insurance rates would skyrocket.

 

[12dbsinad]

Right but how do you sell (buy) more hardware if people actually use the hardware they already have? I mean we can't keep asking the city council for more money if we can't find more stuff to spend it on, right? And, you know, "life safety" and all that. People could die! Surely there is an NFPA rule we can cite to tell the councilmen that using our portable radio at the pump panel violates NFPA and OSHA rules and... people could die! I mean is it even intrinsically safe to do that? Have we commissioned a study? Plus, we'd fall two ISO classes without the pump panel radio. Insurance rates would skyrocket.

Exactly.

In my area we still have them on older trucks, precisely zero percent of them get used. Newer trucks don't get them anymore.

 

[cmjonesinc]

Exactly.

In my area we still have them on older trucks, precisely zero percent of them get used. Newer trucks don't get them anymore.

Even at my old rural department we didn't have pump radios. The drivers portable had a nice headset and noise canceling mic. That way you could actually hear what was going on and people could hear you without the pump howl in the background. I can't imagine trying to listen or talk on a pump mounted radio while a priming motor is screaming in the background.

 

[buddrousa]

We have dual head 800 trunking and dual head vhf mounted on all of our pumpers and platform.
And you get to hear I am sorry I did not know you needed more water my battery is dead.

 

[ME801]

In a lot of rural areas a HT (portable) will not reach the mountain top repeater. I won't go into why there is not 100% coverage in rural areas for portable radios.
It's huge benefit to be able to call your engineer on Tac and have him/her relay a message back to dispatch or incoming units.

 

[ka3aaa]

don't play around with something that could be detrimental to yours or anyone else's safety, do it the right way and let the radio shop who is installing the radios install a second remote head at the pump panel.

 

[krokus]

Wow, people still install pump panel radios? That's like so.... 1970's. There is an innovative thing called a portable radio and speaker mic that everyone carries anyway. That way, you don't get feedback and you're not limited to the range of the mic cord and speaker.

For sure, if you want it, go with a dual head set-up with a head in the pump panel. You can do it after the truck is built, it's done all the time.

Yes, it is better to have two radios for the engineers. We use the truck radio on the 800MHz analog that is the interior fireground, and the portable on MPSCS, to talk with dispatch, the IC, or water supply officer.

 

[12dbsinad]

Yes, it is better to have two radios for the engineers. We use the truck radio on the 800MHz analog that is the interior fireground, and the portable on MPSCS, to talk with dispatch, the IC, or water supply officer.

Interesting.

Our pump operators are only concerned about 1 thing... the guys at the end of the hose lines or incoming water. They aren't command, and they don't need to talk to anyone else. OIC in fact has multiple mobile radio's in the back of the command units for obvious reasons, at the pump panel not the case because the operator is always on the move and a headset is more effective in this position.