Please help. Program PRO197 with HEX and DEC codes HOW?

[KevinC]

Disregard

 

[pluto459]

what field is to edit the ID??

 

[AC2OY]

It would probably help if you became a premium member then you can get all the frequencies you need and input then manually or use software which might have a setting for those codes your talking about. I have to admit a member on here created a file for me and he put all the talk groups in!! I wish I could help you more I was looking in the easier to read manual to try and find anything about those trunked codes.

 

[pluto459]

SO the hex and dec are useless unless you pay to get the real freq on the site? IS that what your saying?

If you buy the cable you get 2 free lookups, supposedly to prevent the migraines I have had the last few days dealing with this. The lookups gave me the old freqs that are of no use anymore and now I cant even look anything up.

 

[pluto459]

Where do you enter the HEX????

 

[ka3jjz]

Pluto, the DEC and HEX are representations of talkgroups - DEC is decimal, while HEX is hexadecimal. In general, the hex values are more commonly used by folks that are programming professional radios (such as Motorolas), while the decimal values are the ones most folks that use scanners would use.

In your case, I would ignore the hexadecimal values entirely.

I'm not a RS guy, but that is a good general rule to follow...the RS/GRE folks, the classroom is open...

HTH...Mike

 

[pluto459]

I am not writing a paper on the history of DEC or HEX, I just need to know how to program my pro197 using them.

I have read all manuals and used the online software and can NOT find any place or box asking to enter them. Since there is no place to enter them HOW IN THE WORLD DO I PROGRAM MY RADIO????

I have the worst migraine from this.

Again, I just need to know how or where to enter the DEC code. Do i need to convert it? WHat is the magic to getting this simple task done???????

 

[ka3jjz]

It might help to take a step back and start from the beginning. This wiki article is coded for folks like you...

Getting Started with your GRE/RS Object Oriented Scanner - The RadioReference Wiki

The first 3 bullets in this article are devoted strictly to newcomers like yourself. Of particular note is the 3d bullet that has 2 links that will help you understand how trunking works. It's important to understand the basics so that you can use that to grasp how to program.

You can then get more out of the manual (and/or the Easier to Read manual, the link for which is also on that article), or you can use the programming shortcut which is also there.

You mentioned in an earlier message that you had some 'software' - I suspect it's ARC500. We also have a user guide for that software in our wiki, and it's here...

ARC500 User Guide - The RadioReference Wiki

If it isn't ARC500, please let us know, as there's another user guide out there for the other popular package called Win500...you would need a premium subscription to download data from our database - it's cheap, and makes things easier for many.

However before you jump in too deep, I'd read the trunking articles and spend some time on the Easier to Read manual.

 

[pluto459]

ive read the links.
i dont care how it works, even tho i know.

I am just so confused why there is no steps on how to enter the DEC. I found the 20 steps to creating a talkgroup and then create ttys but still no place to enter the code 17008 that I have. That is all I have been asking.

The software is just a visual representation of the steps so they are pretty much the same just I can click with my mouse instead of pushing buttons on the radio.

I have spent more time asking for help then anything. I am so frustrated it is unreal and if i didnt need this for work i would return everything.
Is this so difficult so people have to pay to use the RR site? I get a free trial so confused why this isnt easier.

 

[pluto459]

Thanks to everyone for the explanations on how things work and for the links.

I now know why there are people selling programing on ebay.

I could fly the shuttle before i get this programmed.

 

[ka3jjz]

Just a point - if you got the software through us, you get 2 free downloads, if memory serves.

Before you give up, and personally I don't like this option, but have you considered having someone (I assume this would be in the Texas forum) program it for you? You could even see if there's someone local to you that would do it for a fee (I wouldn't ask a RS person to help, frankly)

I never like this option because if you hose it up somehow, and you don't know how to fix it, you end up having to send it away again. But some folks like it...

Mike

 

[grem467]

I think people might have been put off to how you reacted to them trying to help. While I realize you need this equipment programmed, you need to understand that the people that are on this site are not here as paid technical support. They are hobbyists who use the scanners for entertainment. Programming in trunking on a system as large as TXwarn isn't as simple as "where do the hex codes go" You need to have a basic understanding of where the sites are, control channels, what sites are allowed to have the talkgroup broadcast from. People here could literally spend hours trying to give you tips but you wont be any closer to getting your radio to work than you are now. The old days of simply entering in a single frequency are gone. People will get frustrated and not want to help you if you dismiss the help they are trying to give you, for free, on their own time.

 

[pluto459]

grem467 WOW you are the 1st to even come close to helping me so thanks. I have asked and asked and asked what I need to get it programmed and I do appreciate everyone's help, but no one has read my question and replies with the same read this link. I read the links b4 posting. I spent hours reading and trying and got nowhere.

I have said 20 times all i have is a hex and dec code. If I needed more why couldnt anyone say that until you now?

I have thanked and thanked and i get the same read links.

Would it be so difficult to say that i need to find control ch's?
I have looked and there are none for Bellaire, Tx listed. I have scoured the db page.

I have literally incurred migraines from this and now its a matter of principle so I can write a better guide for people since there is nothing that is easy.

ka3jjz-- yes i tried to look it up and only found the old 460 freqs and when i found the hex and dec codes were buried under a different pull down menu the option to search from the software was gone.
I did buy the cable to make it 1,2,3

Lots of threads just like mine on here. I am pretty sure we want to learn how to do it and since obviously there is one step I am missing figured the radio gods on here could see it instantly and say hey do this and you got it.

 

[Spitfire8520]

i dont care how it works, even tho i know.

You have a really funny way of showing that you know how it works...

Since you seem to not completely understand anything...I'll try to bring it down to your level.

• IGNORE HEX, it doesn't matter for you.
• NEW>TGRP>TSYS: NEW>Type: MOT 800/900>Tag: (name)>Done>Frequencies: SEL>Ch01: 859.2375>Save
• Scroll down to T Table:>Set to Custom and select>Program ALL following IN ORDER from Table 01 and 02. Save each time you do it. After you finish ALL the tables, save exactly 2 times.
  

  ChLO ChHI  Step    Offset  Base
  440  559  25.000  440     851.025000
  000  719  25.000    0     851.012500

• Scroll down>ID: 17008>Done>Tag: BPD>Done>Save
• Congrats, you should be done. If you don't hear anything, your PD is probably not using the talkgroup and are still on 460.175 MHz or you didn't follow the instructions exactly, don't blame anyone here that you can't hear your PD.

 

[pluto459]

firstly, thanks seriously!

second, where was the t table info? That was the missing link I couldnt find. Let me guess, i didnt read?
Was I supposed to take that of the TXWarn page info?

How and where to obtain that info is what drives the people nuts.

Why would understanding how trunking works help me find the data I asked where to find was? What is there to understand if the details are missing and how to find the t tables are not there??

System doesnt go live till end of week. Supposedly, they tested for a few and the radios didnt pick it up.

 

[Spitfire8520]

second, where was the t table info? That was the missing link I couldnt find. Let me guess, i didnt read?
Was I supposed to take that of the TXWarn page info?

It's a missing link you seemed to have failed to understand, if you go to the TxWARN page, you'll see a little alert on the top warning you of a rebanded system. This hobby requires understanding of the technologies involved. Rebanding is surely covered in one of the dozens of links provided.

How and where to obtain that info is what drives the people nuts.

I fail to understand how you are missing the control channels. They are literally on the TxWARN page and look something like:

Site     Name   County      Freqs	 	 	 	 	 	 
002 (2) Tomball	Harris 851.57500 851.97500 852.25000 852.57500 852.65000 852.98750a 853.10000
                       853.76250 853.95000c 854.58750 854.96250 856.23750 858.48750 860.46250

All you really need to do is look the map and program the red (and maybe blue) control channels nearest you.

Why would understanding how trunking works help me find the data I asked where to find was? What is there to understand if the details are missing and how to find the t tables are not there??

Understanding trunking tells you what the DEC and HEX actually mean. You cannot just program a DEC and hope it works, a DEC is NOT a frequency in any form. You failed to understand this component of trunking and this led you down a path to a literal dead end. If you understood trunking, you would've known that you need to create a talkgroup with the ID that you know, which means you would need to create a trunked system and would've been able to understand what the database is saying (no, it is not just a bunch of random numbers on a website). Understanding trunking leads to understanding of how your scanner operates, and stuff like rebanding.

Understanding the technologies involved allows you to also know where to find your answers at. I have never personally need to enter a T Table due to technologies involved with my system that doesn't require custom tables. However, I know where to find this information due to my understanding of the technology. This is why it is so important to learn what you are dealing with so that you can be self sufficient with your scanner and not need a forum as a crutch.

 

[pluto459]

There is no BELLAIRE in that list.. WHy would i put Tomball chs in my data? And since there was a list of Cities, that would tell me that there needs to be one for Bellaire. And since there was no Bellaire I posted asking for help.
I stated I went to that page and searched and there was nothing. How would it make any sense to use another cities data?

Is my lack of trunking knowledge keeping me from just assuming I would grab any t table info and use that?

It took 28 threads for someone to say the DEC means nothing and you need t table data. Come on.

I asked 20 times and said all I was given from the police dept was the DEC and not one person said, Hey you need more then that. I asked over and over.

I know everyone here tries to help and I am just telling you what you missed trying to TEACH me about trunking.

 

[gjhamilton]

Look, put the CC from N. Gessner tower in the radio. Then put your TG codes in. Hex are for Motorola Radios which you dont have. And you dont even have to use a rebanded table since all the N. Gessner CC's stayed the same.

 

[pluto459]

gjhamilton thanks, ill try that

 

[Spitfire8520]

There is no BELLAIRE in that list.. WHy would i put Tomball chs in my data? And since there was a list of Cities, that would tell me that there needs to be one for Bellaire. And since there was no Bellaire I posted asking for help.
I stated I went to that page and searched and there was nothing. How would it make any sense to use another cities data?

It's only an example. You don't need to put in that channel. I was simply pointing out WHERE the control channels are. Once again, this requires understanding a trunked radio system. There does not need to be a radio tower in Bellaire to have Bellaire radio traffic. Radio waves can carry distances of 10 miles just fine, and Bellaire looks like a relatively small city.

Is my lack of trunking knowledge keeping me from just assuming I would grab any t table info and use that?

T Tables are only used for rebanded system. Otherwise, you would leave it at default (hence why it's called default).

It took 28 threads for someone to say the DEC means nothing and you need t table data. Come on.

I asked 20 times and said all I was given from the police dept was the DEC and not one person said, Hey you need more then that. I asked over and over.

I know everyone here tries to help and I am just telling you what you missed trying to TEACH me about trunking.

You're now confusing two different concepts. T Tables normally don't matter. DEC (normally called Talkgroup ID) is very important and represents a virtual channel (talkgroup) on a radio system. That means you have to first have the radio system programmed before you can even think about programming in a talkgroup. Everyone was trying to guide you to understanding that DEC means nothing with a system associated to it.