Sticky Thread For Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2022

[TerryPavlick]

Might be the same reason LiveATC doesn't have many feeders in the UK.

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From Live ATC web site

Why don't you have any feeds from the UK?

It is illegal to provide air traffic control feeds from within the UK due to an outdated law that originated back in 1942. The antiquated law states that although it is not illegal to sell, buy or own a scanning receiver in the UK, it must only be used to listen to transmissions meant to be broadcast to the general public.

OfCom (the U.K. regulatory authority for communications) has stated on numerous occasions: "It is an offence to listen to any other radio services unless you are authorised by a designated person to do so."

This means that it is illegal to listen to anything other than general reception transmissions unless you are either a licensed user of the frequencies in question or have been specifically authorized to do so by an authorized person. This is clearly a law that needs to be updated in light of the many educational uses for listening to aircraft communications. Furthermore, the original reasons for this law have long since become irrelevant.

Let's hope this law gets modified - there has been at least one online petition aimed at attempting to get some attention but it does not seem to have had much of an effect on Ofcom. If you are a UK citizen, please contact your MP and see if they can help make an exception to this law.

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Note that we do not have coverage in the U.K., Belgium, Germany, Iceland, Italy, New Zealand, Spain and other countries where streaming ATC communications is prohibited by law.

 

[wbagley]

From Live ATC web site

Why don't you have any feeds from the UK?

It is illegal to provide air traffic control feeds from within the UK due to an outdated law that originated back in 1942. The antiquated law states that although it is not illegal to sell, buy or own a scanning receiver in the UK, it must only be used to listen to transmissions meant to be broadcast to the general public.

And, somewhat ironically, you can buy unblocked versions of scanners in the UK (and other places like Canada and Japan) that are illegal to bring into the U.S.

I'm wondering if the low number of military aircraft observed over Russia is perhaps due to lack of coverage or possibly most Russian military planes are not ADS-B equipped if they don't fly much outside the borders.

 

[Hbright]

Coordinates point to Canyon Moon Ranch in Florence from 1700 MST to 2100 MST.

2/4276 NOTAM Details

Trump is holding a rally at Canyon Moon Ranch at 1900 MST

Save America Rally in Florence, AZ

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events.donaldjtrump.com

Another TFR for a Trump rally, this one in Tx. Appears that this one just applies to drones.

2/8245 NOTAM Details

 

[morfis]

From Live ATC web site
Why don't you have any feeds from the UK?

As the liveatc quote suggests - it's illegal to receive a lot of things in the UK that are allowed in the US. Encryped systems are in use but it's no more or no less illegal based on being clear or not (of course, it would be a lot harder to defend yourself if you were prosecuted if you had decrypted something)

Go to any aviation viewing area like Lakenheath, Manchester or to an airshow or out and about at Cad West, etc. and you'll find plenty of people with their bearcrap or other scanners listening to the comms. It's rare for Ofcom to take action unless a complaint has been made. Essentially 'airband listening' is ignored.

There are rumours of Men in Black knocking on people's doors, dragging streamers away never to be seen again.....
Transmit illegally and they'll definitely confiscate equipment, prosecute (usually under Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006). Listen illegally and it's less clear.

I provided several PCR1Ks to the Javoradio (now eveolved to Global Tuners) network. Full coverage, no gaps, no restrictions on what anyone could tune them to. At one point six receivers in total. Men in Black have never asked me about it. Look at GT now and I'm sure there will be several UK receivers and most listeners will be airband (or broadcast FM they could get on the web anyway...never quite understood that!).
There are kiwisdrs online in the UK, there are wideband receivers as part of the spyserver network etc.

So, there's clearly something different going on. I think I know what.

So how about ADS-B monitoring and that kind of thing? Strangely grey with that too. Generally there is better coverage for things like that here than anwhere else in the world. Being densely populated also puts us in a good position for direction-finding (and not just using Mode-C transponders). Watching the UK skies on adsbexchange type websites you'll miss a lot.
Again, the authorities don't really bother about it as they have more important targets.


I really hope people don't waste MPs time with things like WTA - there are FAR more important things our MPs should be spending their time on.

 

[wbagley]

0455- Two SAM flights departing ADW heading southwest, 98-0002 and 98-0004

VP on her way to Honduras. SAM-171 #99-0004 and SAM-172 #99-0002

This trip SAM 171 (with 62 SOBs - uh, Souls on Board ) is AF2, SAM 172 is the media plane.

From a recent Washington Post puff piece: "She is the most-watched vice president in history, complete with her own press corps that travels internationally with her..."

Harris team looks to course changes to reset her political prospects - The Washington Post

 

[Mark]

Yeah surprising as seems UK has more aircraft fans and adsb mode s broadcasters per square mile than any place in the World

"She is the most-watched vice president in history, complete with her own press corps that travels internationally with her..."
Certainly with all that press not the most quoted VP in History LOL.

'It’s time for us to do what we have been doing and that time is every day,'

 

[GriffissSpotter]

1515 - WEASEL 41 (x2 F-35s) dogfighting with EAGLE 1 flight of F-15s in Viper (261.800)

 

[RaleighGuy]

From a recent Washington Post puff piece: "She is the most-watched vice president in history, complete with her own press corps that travels internationally with her..."

Ahmmm, excuse me, but the VP pool has always traveled on foreign trips, unless closed press, this isn't new. Maybe it's new to the Post since they were excluded for the previous 4 years

 

[wbagley]

C-32A 09-0018 VENUS 98 heads to Andrews from Greenville, Texas presumably to join 09-0015, 09-0016 and 09-0017 as a Presidential fleet aircraft. A brief acceptance check flight was accomplished prior to the delivery flight to ADW.

The last 757 picture is from the Scramble magazine Facebook page.

 

[TerryPavlick]

C-32A 09-0018 VENUS 98 heads to Andrews from Greenville, Texas presumably to join 09-0015, 09-0016 and 09-0017 as a Presidential fleet aircraft. A brief acceptance check flight was accomplished prior to the delivery flight to ADW.

The last 757 picture is from the Scramble magazine Facebook page.

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The aircraft MSN looks familiar. Probably handled something with it in the past for ILFC.

 

[mdmonitor]

1710- Tithe 60 (E-6B # 162784 VQ-4 Det) off PAX heading north..

 

[wbagley]

The aircraft MSN looks familiar. Probably handled something with it in the past for ILFC.

Some sources give the registration as 19-0018 as speculated in a Scramble Magazine Facebook post in 2019:

The latest C-32 asset for the 1st Airlift Squadron, part of the 89th Airlift Wing, fits well behind 90015, 90016 and 90017. Although these three are Fiscal Year 2009 allocated, and if the aforementioned C-32 is not a 'bogus' aircraft, 90018 will certainly have Fiscal Year 2019 as part of its USAF serial number (19-0018).

Scramble Magazine - Posts | Facebook

 

[TerryPavlick]

Some sources give the registration as 19-0018 as speculated in a Scramble Magazine Facebook post in 2019:



Scramble Magazine - Posts | Facebook

As you probably know the MSN is always tied to the airframe regardless of the registration. I do not have access to my data at the moment but thinking the MSN 28172 - looks familiar. May have provided some wheels or brakes in the past. Most likely now that it has joined the 89th -it will have carbon brakes with the associated main wheels.

 

[BTFire21]

SKULL 41 checking in with ZOB 353.850

 

[wbagley]

As you probably know the MSN is always tied to the airframe regardless of the registration. I do not have access to my data at the moment but thinking the MSN 28172 - looks familiar. May have provided some wheels or brakes in the past. Most likely now that it has joined the 89th -it will have carbon brakes with the associated main wheels.

Airfleets.net has it as a former Finnair plane:

OH-LBO

07/10/1997

Finnair

 

[Mark]

Dover has another NCR B744 departing soon for Kiev. This may change to CMB flight instead upon departure.
N8315 (NCR315) National Cargo Flight Tracking and History 27-Jan-2022 (KDOV-KBP / UKBB) - FlightAware

McGuire AFB says they are migrating away from Facebook for their Space A flights so now using their own web page.
They just got to learn how to link small screen format to larger screen to read easier. You click on blue screen and get old link
Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst > Home > Passenger Terminal (jb.mil)

 

[TerryPavlick]

Airfleets.net has it as a former Finnair plane:

OH-LBO

07/10/1997

Finnair

Was supposed to have been picked up by XL Airways (which is where I probably got involved). Unfortunately that lease deal with ILFC never happened.

 

[TerryPavlick]

Dover has another NCR B744 departing soon for Kiev. This may change to CMB flight instead upon departure.
N8315 (NCR315) National Cargo Flight Tracking and History 27-Jan-2022 (KDOV-KBP / UKBB) - FlightAware

McGuire AFB says they are migrating away from Facebook for their Space A flights so now using their own web page.
They just got to learn how to link small screen format to larger screen to read easier. You click on blue screen and get old link
Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst > Home > Passenger Terminal (jb.mil)

CMB304 maybe ?

It flew as that call sign from Dover to Austria and back to Dover.

Now a discussion on clearance delivery whether to go with NCR315 or CMB315

 

[mdmonitor]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2022/01/27/us-air-force-ramps-up-intel-flights-weapons-shipments-to-ukraine/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Air%20Force%20DNR:%20Recurring%20Campaign%202021%202022-01-27&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Air%20Force%20-%20Daily%20News%20Roundup

 

[mdmonitor]

1930- Coast Guard 2303 (HC-130J # 2303 CGAS Elizabeth City NC) working way south down the coast. Working ZDC Snow Hill (132.55). Departed from Atlantic City.