Sticky Thread For MilAir IV

[TinEar]

And here's the next chunk of the SBS log for today:


AE052B 69-0005 RCH9005 16:47:15.163 C-5A 89thAS/445thAW
AE0551 70-0460 ------- 16:45:55.945 C-5A 105thAW/NYANG
AE04CF 62-3537 ------- 16:44:23.929 KC-135R AFRC/916ARW/77ARS
AE152C 166378 VV100 16:41:20.304 C-37B VR-1
AE026D 62-3576/3578 ------- 16:38:18.648 KC-135R ANG/NJ/108ARW/(Note4 below)
AE152C 166378 ------- 16:36:34.913 C-37B VR-1
AE0257 98-1932 BATON20 16:36:31.648 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE0630 84-0172 ------- 16:29:59.210 C-12T Det6/CT-ArNG
AE08B3 165959 ------- 16:16:55.820 T-6A ntps
AE06C1 161319 ------- 16:15:47.913 UC-12B WillowGrove
AE1463 06-6165 RCH132T 16:08:51.913 C-17A 436thAW
AE1463 06-6165 ------- 16:06:10.616 C-17A 436thAW
AE02FD 78-0807 ALLIED 1 16:05:55.195 C-130H AFRC/911AW/758AS
AE02FD 78-0807 ------- 16:03:36.054 C-130H AFRC/911AW/758AS
024AAF 150191 ------- 15:59:49.976 U-6A USNTPS
AE1390 ------ ------- 15:56:12.616 T-38C ntps
AE08FC 84-24379 C1621 15:55:36.616 C-12R 228thAviationRegiment
AE0415 164388 GOTO FMS 15:52:45.616 E-6B VQ4
AE0415 164388 ------- 15:48:52.054 E-6B VQ4
ADFEAE 85-0033 HOIST91 15:48:37.616 KC-10A 305thAMW
ADFEAE 85-0033 ------- 15:48:07.632 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE08FC 84-24379 ------- 15:46:27.226 C-12R 228thAviationRegiment
AE07EE 96-0004 RCH6004 15:44:45.679 C-17A 437thAW
AE07EE 96-0004 ------- 15:44:26.616 C-17A 437thAW
AE1479 166767 ------- 15:36:24.960 UC-35D VMR-2
ADFE97 95-0098 ------- 15:28:23.960 C-12R+ 2-228thAviation
AE03E3 164996 ------- 15:23:13.991 C-130T VR-64/BD
AE06CF 161309 ------- 15:22:38.241 UC-12B Washington
AE0208 79-0433 TEAM05 15:20:54.241 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE0208 79-0433 ------- 15:20:26.820 KC-10A 305thAMW
AE0171 84-0079 YBNKEE1 15:19:52.085 C-21A 118thAS/103rdAWCT-ANG
AE0171 84-0079 ------- 15:19:39.898 C-21A 118thAS/103rdAWCT-ANG
AE08B7 ------ ------- 15:18:40.616 T-6A ntps
AE03F4 84-0145 ------- 15:14:16.616 C-12T OSACOM/PATDet7DEArNG
AE0670 63-7980 TROUT99 15:13:42.195 KC-135R AFMC/412TW/412FLTS
AE07C4 63-8873 TFLON13 15:07:39.616 KC-135R ANG/ME/132ARS
AE07C4 63-8873 ------- 15:06:57.616 KC-135R ANG/ME/132ARS
AE1392 158198 ------- 15:02:44.273 T-38C ntps
ADFEB5 74-0787 ZUNO60 15:02:07.913 E-4B 1stACCS
ADFEB5 74-0787 ------- 14:59:44.710 E-4B 1stACCS
ADFDE3 85-0050 S50050 14:59:20.616 C-20C 89thAW/99thAS
ADFDE3 85-0050 ------- 14:57:45.070 C-20C 89thAW/99thAS
ADFDAF 87-0140 FENDY43 14:55:14.616 C-20E OSACOM/PAT
AE08B3 165959 ------- 14:51:21.616 T-6A ntps
ADFDAF 87-0140 ------- 14:50:59.616 C-20E OSACOM/PAT
AE17EF 05-0730 SPAR22 14:34:58.241 C-40C 932ndAW
AE02C6 89-9102 RCH230 14:34:10.710 C-130H AFRC/910AW/757AS
AE02C6 89-9102 ------- 14:33:48.773 C-130H AFRC/910AW/757AS
AE17EF 05-0730 ------- 14:33:22.976 C-40C 932ndAW
AE0257 98-1932 ------- 14:23:30.866 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE0257 98-1932 BATON20 14:23:30.866 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE13E6 ------ ------- 14:12:17.616 RQ-4A ---
AE057E 87-0033 ------- 13:59:41.273 C-5B 337thAS
AE10E7 2001 C2001 13:50:46.038 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE10E7 2001 ------- 13:46:42.632 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE0686 60-0328 BLUE13 13:44:54.226 KC-135R 100ARW/351ARS
AE0686 60-0328 ------- 13:44:50.616 KC-135R 100ARW/351ARS
AE06C1 161319 ------- 13:38:07.616 UC-12B WillowGrove
AE06CF 161309 ------- 13:35:03.632 UC-12B Washington
ADFDB3 87-0139 TROUT98 13:34:58.616 C-20E USAF
ADFDB3 87-0139 ------- 13:33:35.991 C-20E USAF
AE26F9 ------ ------- 13:28:51.616 ------ ---
AE061F 84-0209 ------- 13:26:54.820 C-130H ANG/DE/142AS
ADFDE3 85-0050 S50050 13:10:10.623 C-20C 89thAW/99thAS
ADFDE3 85-0050 ------- 13:09:47.639 C-20C 89thAW/99thAS
AE0363 60-0341 ------- 13:07:44.624 KC-135R ANG/OH/121ARW/
AE03E3 164996 ------- 13:05:04.063 C-130T VR-64/BD
ADFF00 96-0112 ------- 12:47:56.053 C-12J USARMY
AE02C6 89-9102 RCH230 12:34:37.621 C-130H AFRC/910AW/757AS
AE02C6 89-9102 ------- 12:32:45.044 C-130H AFRC/910AW/757AS
AE115E 01-0030 SPAR30 12:25:52.296 C-37A 310thAS
AE123E 04-4133 RCH127T 12:24:36.937 C-17A 6thAS
AE123E 04-4133 ------- 12:24:35.625 C-17A 6thAS
AE115E 01-0030 ------- 12:18:08.627 C-37A 310thAS
AE1478 166766 TORI0925 12:18:07.752 UC-35D VMR-2
AE03FD 78-23132 ------- 12:12:53.114 C-12 USARMY
AE026D 62-3576/3578 ------- 12:11:30.786 KC-135R ANG/NJ/108ARW/ (Note4 below)

Note4...Both 62-3576 from Pease and 62-3578 from McGuire use the same hex code. Unless they program a callsign (or one is heard on the radio), it's impossible to distinguish between the two aircraft strictly from a Mode-S transmission.

 

[Mark]

And here's the next chunk of the SBS log for today:


AE026D 62-3576/3578 ------- 16:38:18.648 KC-135R ANG/NJ/108ARW/
AE026D 62-3576/3578 ------- 12:11:30.786 KC-135R ANG/NJ/108ARW/ (Note4 below)

Note4...Both 62-3576 from Pease and 62-3578 from McGuire use the same hex code. Unless they program a callsign (or one is heard on the radio), it's impossible to distinguish between the two aircraft strictly from a Mode-S transmission.

Alan I had a TEFLON 14 inbound McGuire with arrival message on
TORCH Ops at 1650 local so could be that 62-3578.

Space Shuttle gonna finally make it today at 6:03 PM?

Good launch!
BTW been told that the new C-17 destined for Hungary is possibly at KCHS and
scheduled for Europe Saturday.We should catch it thru here hopefully.

Mark

 

[freqhopping]

I've been hearing the shuttle comms since "negative return". It's about a 10-second delay to hearing it on TV.

 

[jsoergel]

VADER 02 (C-130H, 89-9102) in at 2153Z, departure at 2245Z.

NAVY 7W 415 (UC-12B, unid) departed at 2235Z.

RHINO 15 (C-5A, unid) is training right now. I think that's an ERCC from RHINO 02 earlier today.

VADER 02 is back, landing at 0038Z, and off again at 0110Z...must've been taking the 445th AES out on a mission.

Also, the sixth and final Janet replacement is stopping in tonight on the way to Vegas:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N288DP/...0015Z/KMIA/KFFO

737-66N, c/n 29892/1305. Previously B-5037 with Air China. Flown OBBI-EINN-KBGR-KMIA as N892SR, then registration changed to N288DP before flying to KFFO. Mode S is 50566014 (A2EC0C).

 

[TinEar]

Alan I had a TEFLON 14 inbound McGuire with arrival message on
TORCH Ops at 1650 local so could be that 62-3578.

BTW been told that the new C-17 destined for Hungary is possibly at KCHS and
scheduled for Europe Saturday.We should catch it thru here hopefully.

Mark

KCHS is as good as anywhere for the new SAC 01 C-17A. I didn't hear where it went for sure. It's moving with callsign BRK01. Hex is 477FF1 so we should be able to spot it if it comes through this area - and it should.

Agree that TEFLON 14 could be the 62-3578 guy. He's about the only one that didn't have the TEFLON callsign programmed. Most of them carried it as TEFLN except for 13 who went with TFLON which shows in one of my chunks of daily log above. I just checked though and had AE026D starting here at 1638 so I'm fairly sure that lines up with what you heard.

 

[Mark]

KCHS is as good as anywhere for the new SAC 01 C-17A. I didn't hear where it went for sure. It's moving with callsign BRK01. Hex is 477FF1 so we should be able to spot it if it comes through this area - and it should.

Seems odd as 47**** range is normal Scandanavian aircraft range but
maybe for tax/neutrality purposes they did that.. LOL
I see Norway,Sweden and Finland part of C-17 group so that explains it.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=746

2005 local REACH 9190 was in area first mistakenly with Dover CP then
finally realizes he is going to Mcguire.. DOH!
C-17 #89-9190 437th at KCHS headed across.
Requests onboard meal service at McGuire for unknown # of pax.
Will pay cash at $4.50 per pax.. hmmm..slightly cheaper than the regular airlines.

2125 MARINE 2 inbound KILG on tower 126.000 after Philly appch 119.750
Must be VP Joe back in town visiting.
2145 Departs KILG as NIGHTHAWK 8 tower sw to Balt/Pot appch 124.550

Mark

 

[jsoergel]

BOEING 288DP calling Dispatch at 0159Z. "Understand we have some people waiting for us?"

Cleared to land 23R at 0221Z.

Listening back to today's recordings, I missed one:

CODY 01 (KC-135, unid) calling Metro for weather at Andrews; 150 miles from Patterson

 

[TinEar]

And here's the last section of today's SBS log:

AE119C 03-3119 RCH3119 22:32:01.663 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE1172 02-1100 RCH2100 22:31:13.304 C-17A 437thAW
AE119C 03-3119 ------- 22:29:00.663 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE1172 02-1100 ------- 22:28:41.163 C-17A 437thAW
AE04F9 99-0404 S5264 22:14:48.648 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
A3F876 N355MC ------- 22:12:18.695 B-747-341 AtlasAir
AE04F9 99-0404 ------- 22:11:49.804 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE0480 60-0324 ------- 22:08:34.663 KC-135R 6AMW/91ARS
AE0186 84-0092 JOSA564 21:55:15.663 C-21A 457thAS
AE0255 98-1357 ------- 21:53:43.085 C-130J ANG/MD/175W/135AS
AE0186 84-0092 ------- 21:52:55.148 C-21A 457thAS
AE1197 03-3114 RCH3114 21:36:37.101 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE1197 03-3114 ------- 21:31:38.116 C-17A 172ndAW/MSANG
AE0171 84-0079 YBNKEE1 21:15:43.663 C-21A 118thAS/103rdAWCT-ANG
AE0171 84-0079 ------- 21:13:03.663 C-21A 118thAS/103rdAWCT-ANG
AE0257 98-1932 ------- 20:56:21.663 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE06C1 161319 ------- 20:52:08.663 UC-12B WillowGrove
AE10BC 01-0193 RCH188 20:46:19.273 C-17A 437thAW
AE10BC 01-0193 ------- 20:45:31.679 C-17A 437thAW
AE0189 84-0095 JOSA503 20:43:01.663 C-21A 457thAS
AE0189 84-0095 ------- 20:42:52.663 C-21A 457thAS
AE10E7 2001 C2001 20:42:08.663 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE10E7 2001 ------- 20:41:44.851 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE049A 61-0307 DECEE32 20:32:21.991 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE1836 ------ ------- 20:26:04.179 F/A-18E ---
AE11FA 02-0203 BOXER 45 20:20:14.663 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE11FA 02-0203 ------- 20:18:40.663 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE04DB 57-1437 ALLIED 1 20:13:23.070 KC-135R AFRC/916ARW/77ARS
AE04DB 57-1437 ------- 20:11:54.663 KC-135R AFRC/916ARW/77ARS
AE049A 61-0307 ------- 20:11:32.663 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
A09ADE N138WA WOA9703 20:05:27.148 DC-10 WorldAirways
A09ADE N138WA ------- 20:00:02.960 DC-10 WorldAirways
AE07CE 89-1190 ------- 19:51:23.679 C-17A 437thAW
AE0257 98-1932 ------- 19:42:20.820 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE061F 84-0209 ------- 19:31:12.304 C-130H ANG/DE/142AS
AE061F 84-0209 HUSKV50 19:31:12.304 C-130H ANG/DE/142AS
AE0195 84-0135 ------- 19:21:37.257 C-21A 458thAS
AE11FA 02-0203 BOXER 45 19:18:40.132 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE11FA 02-0203 ------- 19:18:21.241 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE057E 87-0033 ------- 19:12:49.663 C-5B 337thAS
AE1167 02-0202 BOXER 42 19:03:13.663 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE1167 02-0202 ------- 19:02:57.663 C-40C 201stAS/DCANG
AE0630 84-0172 ------- 19:00:40.116 C-12T Det6/CT-ArNG
AE07F0 96-0006 RCH6006 18:58:15.663 C-17A 437thAW
AE07F0 96-0006 ------- 18:57:59.663 C-17A 437thAW
AE146C 07-7174 RIDER85 18:55:37.866 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE189A 05-4613 AVLON12 18:53:01.663 C-40C 932ndAW
AE146C 07-7174 ------- 18:52:36.882 C-17A 3rdAS/436thAW
AE189A 05-4613 ------- 18:52:35.257 C-40C 932ndAW
AE10E7 2001 C2001 18:41:39.663 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE10E7 2001 ------- 18:41:32.663 HC-130J USCG/ElizabethCity
AE0945 01-0040 S5244 18:33:46.898 C-40B 76thAS
AE0945 01-0040 ------- 18:30:15.851 C-40B 76thAS
AE0195 84-0135 SWIFT47 18:26:07.663 C-21A 458thAS
AE0195 84-0135 ------- 18:22:41.663 C-21A 458thAS
AE0257 98-1932 ------- 18:07:03.835 EC-130J ANG/PA/193SOW/193SOS
AE0255 98-1357 ------- 18:00:10.663 C-130J ANG/MD/175W/135AS
AE093C 00-1053 ------- 17:59:00.804 UC-35a1 PATD
AE049A 61-0307 DECEE32 17:55:57.663 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
29CBB8 Various 00000000 17:55:17.773 Various Various
29CBB8 Various ------- 17:55:11.663 Various Various
AE08FC 84-24379 C1621 17:54:42.663 C-12R 228thAviationRegiment
AE049A 61-0307 ------- 17:54:01.195 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS
AE08FC 84-24379 ------- 17:53:30.663 C-12R 228thAviationRegiment
AE04F9 99-0404 S5264 17:52:00.663 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE04F9 99-0404 ------- 17:51:36.663 C-37A 89thAW/99thAS
AE1F3A 07-2043 ------- 17:46:51.991 UH-72A ---
ADFEB5 74-0787 ZUNO60 17:44:38.945 E-4B 1stACCS
ADFEB5 74-0787 ------- 17:44:23.663 E-4B 1stACCS
AE016F 84-0077 JOSA936 17:42:50.882 C-21A 457thAS
ADFED5 85-1267 ------- 17:41:23.663 C-12T OSACOM/VA RFC
AE016F 84-0077 ------- 17:38:15.241 C-21A 457thAS
AE0186 84-0092 JOSA564 17:37:31.663 C-21A 457thAS
AE0186 84-0092 ------- 17:37:13.085 C-21A 457thAS
AE087E 01-0028 SPAR33 17:35:20.679 C-37A 310thAS
AE087E 01-0028 ------- 17:29:25.898 C-37A 310thAS
AE1C2F ------ ------- 17:11:01.913 C-12R ---
AE0195 84-0135 SWIFT47 17:05:11.726 C-21A 458thAS
AE0195 84-0135 ------- 17:03:06.648 C-21A 458thAS
AE20C4 07-7183 RCH7183 17:00:12.648 C-17A ---
AE20C4 07-7183 ------- 17:00:12.648 C-17A ---

 

[mdmonitor]

Sea Isle RCAG

Guys,

According to an item on the Milcom Blog the ZDC RCAG at Sea Isle (133.125 & 281.45) has been disestablished and the new site is at Atlantic City.

 

[mdmonitor]

Splash 8

1315 EDT just had Splash 8 (id as UH-1) cross over MTN enroute to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Splash is new callsign for me.

1318- PAT 12 flt (id as 2 X UH-60s) w/Phillips tower (126.15) and MTN tower (121.3) for transit of airspace enroute to Baltimore.

 

[CqDx]

Hi Guys,

I live in NYC and I have started listening to Milcom again after months of chasing fed stuff. I can hear most of A/C calling McGuire CP and W-105 stuff.

I remember may be a year ago I can hear NORAD on 270.1or 260.9, but lately I haven't been hearing any of their comms on either frequencies, did they move elsewhere? (I know frequencies you guys expertise on MD/DC/VA area, but I am hoping this would be a long shot! )

 

[mdmonitor]

Tin,
Mark,

Any SBS confirmation on these guys:

1335- Navy JA 519 (MH-60R, VSX-1 PAX)-w/DOV approach (132.425).
1336- Ghost 51 (C-20G VMR-1 MCAS Cherry Point NC)-w/PAX approach (135.025)

 

[mdmonitor]

Tacamo

1412- Just has some garbld/muffled comms on 311.0---all I was able to garner was " off the deck" so maybe one of the E-6s just left PAX

1415- Had Brick 91 (sounded like) w/PAX departure (121.0). He id'd self as heavy so he might be the E-6B.

 

[TinEar]

Guys,

According to an item on the Milcom Blog the ZDC RCAG at Sea Isle (133.125 & 281.45) has been disestablished and the new site is at Atlantic City.

Having just read the FAA writeup on that change of the RCAG from Sea Isle to Atlantic City, I found a small problem. In the frequency notice, they said to cancel freq 278.5 at Sea Isle and begin using 281.45 at Atlantic City. Since 281.45 was the UHF all along, I'm not sure where that 278.5 freq came from. I suspect they'll put out a correction in the next couple of days. In the meantime, I'm going to watch that 278.5 freq in case they got it backward and we should be adding that to replace 281.45.

The other changes involve all the Patuxent freqs and how they are used for App/Dep but not changes to the freqs themselves. However, there was one little section I wasn't sure about as follows:
Delete Radar freqs 134.1, 270.8, 286.0
Add Radar freqs 362.6, 348.0, 135.025
Was 348.0 always assigned at Pax? If so, I didn't have it programmed.

I live in NYC and I have started listening to Milcom again after months of chasing fed stuff. I can hear most of A/C calling McGuire CP and W-105 stuff.

I remember may be a year ago I can hear NORAD on 270.1or 260.9, but lately I haven't been hearing any of their comms on either frequencies, did they move elsewhere? (I know frequencies you guys expertise on MD/DC/VA area, but I am hoping this would be a long shot!

The 260.9 freq is still in use by HUNTRESS (NORAD) during CAPs and scrambles. I think the other freq you're trying to remember is 271.0 which is used in the NYC area by NORAD for the same reasons. Unless, there's a CAP in progress, you probably won't hear them.

 

[mdmonitor]

Having just read the FAA writeup on that change of the RCAG from Sea Isle to Atlantic City, I found a small problem. In the frequency notice, they said to cancel freq 278.5 at Sea Isle and begin using 281.45 at Atlantic City. Since 281.45 was the UHF all along, I'm not sure where that 278.5 freq came from. I suspect they'll put out a correction in the next couple of days. In the meantime, I'm going to watch that 278.5 freq in case they got it backward and we should be adding that to replace 281.45.

The other changes involve all the Patuxent freqs and how they are used for App/Dep but not changes to the freqs themselves. However, there was one little section I wasn't sure about as follows:
Delete Radar freqs 134.1, 270.8, 286.0
Add Radar freqs 362.6, 348.0, 135.025
Was 348.0 always assigned at Pax? If so, I didn't have it programmed.
.

Tin,

348.0 is new to me as well--have it in now just in case. I'm confused too on 270.8---I'm getting trfc on it today. Never knew about the 134.1 "radar" freq and 135.025 has been used for years as a GCA/alternate freq

 

[Mark]

Having just read the FAA writeup on that change of the RCAG from Sea Isle to Atlantic City, I found a small problem. In the frequency notice, they said to cancel freq 278.5 at Sea Isle and begin using 281.45 at Atlantic City. Since 281.45 was the UHF all along, I'm not sure where that 278.5 freq came from.

I was going to ask about Sea Isle as I haven't logged anything on
ZDC 281.45 for quite a while and 257.700 also for that matter.Is that still
ZDC Salisbury?
I just figured action offshore was maybe slow these days.

Mark

 

[TinEar]

Tin,

348.0 is new to me as well--have it in now just in case. I'm confused too on 270.8---I'm getting trfc on it today. Never knew about the 134.1 "radar" freq and 135.025 has been used for years as a GCA/alternate freq

Re 270.8: Well, they didn't really say to delete the freq - just the USE of the freq for 'RDR'...so it could still be in use for approach, for instance.

Re 134.1: I think they're totally out to lunch on that one. The freq is used all over the country for Command Post use and I had never known it as an Approach or Radar freq in this area. Waiting for corrections from the FAA.

Mark, I'm not sure there has been any change to 257.7 although I haven't heard any UHF traffic in the past week or so on any freq. - but that's my fault for not listening.

 

[TinEar]

Tin,

348.0 is new to me as well--have it in now just in case. I'm confused too on 270.8---I'm getting trfc on it today. Never knew about the 134.1 "radar" freq and 135.025 has been used for years as a GCA/alternate freq

I just remembered that I had saved the list of freqs that "Jeff" down at Patuxent had given us way back when - a couple of years ago. Lo and behold...there's the 348.0 freq listed as "Radar" on the list. He was updating an older list and said these were the freqs he had found active since beginning his search on 1/1/07. There are probably 50 freqs on the list for Pax.
Edit: Hmmm...and there's 134.1 on his list noted as "APP AM"

 

[freqhopping]

AE049A 61-0307 DECEE32 17:55:57.663 KC-135R AFRC/459ARW/756ARS

I heard this one heading west as SUNNY-037


1535- N6VA whatever it is currently (FAA shows reserved, Flightaware has Vulcanair P-68 Observer ) departed IAD. Mode-S is wrong, 516579.

 

[TinEar]

I heard this one heading west as SUNNY-037

Interesting. I don't know where that funky font came from for the last chunk of my log last night. Obviously, I had to have selected it but I can't imagine doing it on purpose.