11-11 Shots Fired Soboba Res Deps Pinned Down

[brandon]

I can't believe what I just read in that article.
"It just seems like every time they come out ... they bring like an army out here."
They bring the army in because the criminals are using military type weapons to shoot at officers! I'd bring in my army too. Who wouldn't?

Oh and ACLU looking into the shooting now :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Kingscup]

As for using "codes that few people understand"; your point is well taken. I tend to ASSUME that if you participate in this forum that you "speak the language" which as you pointed out is not always the case.

Also, 11-11 for one agency may have a completely different meaning to another agency. Maybe I just moved to the IE and 11-11 means illegal parking from the part of the state I came from.

 

[JoeyC]

Also, 11-11 for one agency may have a completely different meaning to another agency. Maybe I just moved to the IE and 11-11 means illegal parking from the part of the state I came from.

We understand your concern for not using codes when chatting in public - its never a good idea to type out a cryptic post for others to figure out, but other than the 11-11 (which was essentially explained in the title) and 97 the entire thread was written in ENGLISH rendering the code usage irrelevant. So whats the problem? Its obvious they weren't talking about illegal parking here.

 

[af5rn]

Why don't they just shut up, open a casino, and retire rich like everybody else? :roll:

 

[Kingscup]

We understand your concern for not using codes when chatting in public - its never a good idea to type out a cryptic post for others to figure out, but other than the 11-11 (which was essentially explained in the title) and 97 the entire thread was written in ENGLISH rendering the code usage irrelevant. So whats the problem? Its obvious they weren't talking about illegal parking here.

Why do you think Fire is clear text? So there isn't any miscommunication. It may have been self evident in this thread what was going on but not in all threads. I still don't know what an 11-11 is. All I know is that there was a shootout with police officers. Is is so hard to type out what is going on in ENGLISH without having to use codes?

 

[JoeyC]

Why do you think Fire is clear text? So there isn't any miscommunication. It may have been self evident in this thread what was going on but not in all threads. I still don't know what an 11-11 is. All I know is that there was a shootout with police officers. Is is so hard to type out what is going on in ENGLISH without having to use codes?

I do not believe in using codes over the air, whether police or fire. They offer no security (and that is an entirely different story) and create confusion across different agencies. There ARE fire/EMS users who are using codes over the air however, so your inference in the question is not valid. I read the whole thread and understand it completely with or without an understanding of 11-11 so I'm not following you. It doesn't matter what 11-11 means, the whole story was written out in ENGLISH. I'm not sure why you can't see that. Or why its an issue in this thread.

 

[af5rn]

Joey, you are making an assumption from the point of view of somebody who does know what 11-11 means. Knowing what it means, you are able to understand that it means the same thing as what was written out in plain English. However, for those of us that do not know what it means, we have no way of knowing that we are not missing a crucial piece of the story by not knowing what 11-11 means. I mean after all, if 11-11 means the same thing as all the plain English, then why write 11-11 in the first place? See what I mean?

So yes, it is indeed very much of an issue in this thread.

 

[JoeyC]

Joey, you are making an assumption from the point of view of somebody who does know what 11-11 means. Knowing what it means, you are able to understand that it means the same thing as what was written out in plain English. However, for those of us that do not know what it means, we have no way of knowing that we are not missing a crucial piece of the story by not knowing what 11-11 means. I mean after all, if 11-11 means the same thing as all the plain English, then why write 11-11 in the first place? See what I mean?

So yes, it is indeed very much of an issue in this thread.

Negative. The OP defined the story appropriately. 11-11 adds nothing.

And FYI, I have NO idea what an 11-11 is.

 

[af5rn]

Then how do you know you didn't miss anything? There is no way of knowing what you do not know. 11-11 could have meant "officer down" or anything else that was not stated in the text. You don't know.

You are wrong. Period. You're making assumptions, and looking silly in the process.

 

[brandon]

11-11 = priority backup (lights and siren)
11-10 = routine backup
11-99 = Mayday!! Officer needs HHHHEEEELLLLPPPP!!!
10-7 = out of service/DOA

I hope this helps clear any confusion.

 

[JoeyC]

11-11 Hemet, San Jacinto, Southwest, Perris, Moreno Valley and Cabazon responding to officer needs help call at Soboba Indian Reservation. Deputies reporting that they are pinned down by automatic weapon fire.
City of Hemet enroute with armored vehicle.

I have personally seen at least 40 or more units rolling code into the res and can hear more coming.

If you can't figure out what is going on by the wording in this post, then clear text isn't going to help you either. :roll:

This is the last I'll say about this as this argument adds nothing to the thread but making you look sillier for your inability to understand what is going on. LOL. :lol:

Station51 I'm sure you can figure I'm not addressing this to you, but to those who think you posted a cryptic message at the start of your thread.

 

[af5rn]

This is the last I'll say about this...

Good, because I like having the last word.

Listen, if you don't know what 11-11 means, then you simply have ZERO way to know for sure if you know everything that was posted, making your assumptions ignorant. It has nothing to do with whether or not you understand the rest of the post. If you don't understand 11-11, then you don't understand the whole post. Period. What if 11-11 meant "this is an exercise"? Would you know it? No, you wouldn't. You'd be sitting there believing it was a real incident. Yes, in this case, we did indeed know everything that was going on. But the fact remains that we had no way of knowing that at the time, and at the time is when we need to know it, not days afterwards.

Not sure why you chose to give Kingscup a rash of crap about this in the first place, because your argument has no merit whatsoever.

And I'm not directing any of this at Station51 either, because he obviously just got excited and posted it without thinking. He himself has been adult enough to admit and apologise for the mistake. And like everyone else, I appreciate his effort.

 

[Station51]

Remedial Radio

Radio codes are used to shorten up the amount of air time on the radio and for situations that are repeated over and over again.

97 being short for 10-97 (Arriving at assigned call in this example).

No one is trying to conceal what they are doing or keep it a secret, just save air time when everyone listening understands what the person transmitting is talking about.

Try this at home, which takes less time? (129 indicating the unit number)

"129 97 on Elm St." or

"129 I am arriving at my assigned call on Elm St." (The remedial English version)

"129 97", would also be common because the dispatcher knows he's on Elm street because he/she sent the unit there.

When 129 reported "129 11-11 Shots Fired" I doubt that anyone (in law emforcement) had to get out a code book.

It is certainly true that 10 and 11 codes differ from city to city and state to state. I actually enjoy listening to different departments across the United States and do so frequently. Two weeks ago I was listening to several counties in Texas; the Arizona Highway Patrol and others. I used to enjoy listening to the Border Patrol, but that has all but disappeared now.

There was an incorrect assumption on my part that if you had an interst in "Breaking News" within Riverside County, California that you would be in Riverside County and consequently know what 11-11 means. (Can you say ASSUME)!

As Brandon pointed out RSO (Riverside Sheriffs Office) refers to a dead subject as 10-7. In my 40 years of monitoring public safety radio I have NEVER heard any department use 10-7 for "dead".

Burbank, California used to use "10-7 for 10" when they took a coffee break in the 70's; perhaps they still do. They also used "Not Hot" indicating that a vehicle plate returned with no want as opposed to "Negative 29" (English: 29 as is 10-29 meaning there is or is not a want on the vehicle ) Hell, this is fun huh?

Have a GREAT rest of the week!!

 

[af5rn]

The "negative 29" thing bugged the hell out of a lot of us when I was a cop. I mean really, isn't every 29 negative? A 10-29 is always a bad thing, not a positive thing. The more appropriate, shorter, and frankly more human way to say it would be "no 29", not "negative 29". In the English language, "negative" is not synonymous with "no" in the "none" sense. It took awhile to break some dispatchers of using pointless terms (terms, not codes) like that. Things like "be advised", "gonna be", and "at this time" are just extra words that serve no purpose, but these bimbos use just because they think they need to.

And most 10 or 11 codes don't even save any time. I can say "711 out" faster than I can say "711 10-97"

Speaking of 10-29, a dispatcher once asked another deputy over the radio if he was 10-43. Baffled by that question, he paused for a moment then replied, "Negative, county, my record is clean!" Much laughter ensued on the air. 10-43 was the code for a criminal history. What the dispatcher meant was SIGNAL 43, meaning do you have an observer riding with you. :lol:

 

[Station51]

No Want Your Roller

I think it's a matter once again of where you are. I have heard departments use codes such as Signal 50 etc, but not in California that I can recall. (Richard Nixon).

Also in California some departments will request a "28/29" which means that they want registration information and a check to see if there are any wants on the plate.

I agree with your "out" vs "ten-ninety seven" 1 syllable instead of 4 !!

Funny radio traffic: Once West Hollywood Sheriff's dispatched a deputy to a 927D call (possible dead body). It was about 5 a.m. and he was leaving on vacation at the end of his shift around 7:30. You could hear the disappointment in his voice when he bought the call.

A little later his was laughing on the radio, "Code 4, numerous 927 d's at the location". They had sent him to a funeral home just to mess with him because as you know handling a DB takes hours!

Stuff like that helps to keep a person sane!!