155.385 MHz on LBI?

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I close-called this frequency on LBI yesterday (more specifically near the Acme Long Beach Blvd.). I close-called its morse code ID only, no voice comms heard. I checked the RR DB and nothing listed. However the FCC DB has 155.385, 150.790, and 155.235 under WPDG912 with control sites in Beach Haven and Long Beach twp. Was this an old frequency once used with an active morse code ID signal still, or is it still used by some public safety dept on the island? If anyone has additional info, feel free to respond.
 
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Just an update, I DID see 155.385 listed in the DB much further down under LBI Emergency Services, however only DMR is listed there. Therefore, I guess it is possible analog mode is also still used on that same channel. 155.235 is also listed as analog, but didn't see 150.790 (which I guess could be an input to one of them but since I am not a premium subscriber, I wouldn't know.
 

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Why do you assume that analog is still used? The analog CWID doesn't mean the repeater is analog.
 

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Just an update, I DID see 155.385 listed in the DB much further down under LBI Emergency Services, however only DMR is listed there. Therefore, I guess it is possible analog mode is also still used on that same channel.
If you only heard the repeater ID itself and nothing else then the ID will only be broadcast as analog assuming all other operations are/were DMR. You'll never hear a repeater ID its callsign as DMR.
 
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That means very little in the real world. I can point you to countless examples of what is licensed vs what is reality.
I believe you. But is it illegal to operate under a different emission type than what you are licensed for, even though so many do it? Just wondering.
 

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Technically, yes, however the FCC has almost no teeth anymore, so unless there is egregious interference created by operating with an unlicensed emission...probably not going to be an issue.

Btw I'm not suggesting that the frequency you're asking about is 100% DMR, just addressing the issue of lack of emissions on a license not being a definitive indication of what's really going on.
 

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I believe you. But is it illegal to operate under a different emission type than what you are licensed for, even though so many do it? Just wondering.

Sadly this is a VERY common issue where licenses aren't updated for proper emissions designators. (Or have the wrong ones, put in by someone who doesn't understand the table. Seen that too.). It makes researching frequencies a royal pain in the ass. It is illegal but the FCC's enforcement bureau now is a "squeaky wheel gets the oil" division, and unless someone actually complains to the bureau, it won't even be looked at. Almost half of the EB actions lately have been political in nature too.
 

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DMR requires re-coordination, even if someone has an analog license already. The reason for it is the unusual channel occupancy characteristics that many DMR systems have, especially when both timeslots are used and one may be extremely busy or have polling or AVL data on it. That coordination fee is an extra expense and there's no guarantee that the system will pass protecting co-channel and adjacent channel receivers from incumbent licensees (that's about a 0% in NJ without the applicant getting letters from each of the others). That gets a little better when others in the area abandon their conventional licenses for county or NJICS trunked systems. When that happens, theoretically they're supposed to cancel their licenses and give those frequencies back (I kinda laughed a little as I typed that).

I know for a fact that the FCC has fined agencies that just turned up a DMR system without proper coordination, but those were years back when DMR first emerged. The frequency coordinators also had a big problem with integrating the systems into mostly analog frequencies, where many users still monitored in carrier squelch, or where channel occupancy patterned the regular simplex or repeated times rather than possibly stay on the air continuously. My last interaction with the FCC was that they don't like enforcement action on public safety licensees unless there is no other choice. They would rather solve the problem low key and have everyone walk away good. That tactic also involves less energy and resources. So, even though it's illegal, don't expect a swarm of people in FCC windbreakers.
 
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