2013/14 - MOSWIN- (PLEASE USE 2015 Thread if NEW subject)
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Did anyone get the agency or group that was using talk group 23917 with radio IDs of 49820 and 4982 ? The radio traffic sounded they testing out a site security system. This took place about 1300 hrs or so.
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County All Talkgroups are generally used for a unit within the county, and County Travel Talkgroups are used when they're traveling outside the county. Imagine if you can, County All is just for coverage within the county and the County Travel is the whole state.
Someone could be on County Travel down in the bootheel and talk back to dispatch. County All's I think are only restricted to the site closest to the county.
I know this is a MOSWIN site. I will keep this short. With a yagi I can pick up site 301 (Madison). Move it I can pick up site 359 (St Clair) and move it again site 358 (Monroe). The only site I can pick up without the yagi is 358 (Monroe). It must have the "least obstructed signal path" to my low receiving site. It may seem odd to some but it is what it is.
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Pro96Com “Control Channel” DataStream has generated the following for 2 weeks:
Doniphan Site (317) – Neighboring Sites:
199 – Listed as “Failed, current” (this is the Zone 3 Site on Wheels) – It may have moved out of range.
301, 302, 305, 307, 308, 309, 318 and 328 – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database only lists 318.
Doniphan Site (317) – Frequencies:
161.9375c (in green), 155.610a, 172.4625c (also used by Poplar Bluff site), 155.700i (CWID),
155.445v, 161.850v, 154.980v (also used by Poplar Bluff site)
The present listing on the RR Database has the above frequencies but omits the two Poplar Bluff Frequencies and lists 155.445v which is no longer used according to the data stream from the control channel at the Doniphan Site.
Poplar Bluff Site (308) – Neighboring Sites:
301, 302, 305, 306, 307, 309 and 317, – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database has N/A for Neighboring Sites.
Poplar Bluff Site (308) – Frequencies:
172.4625c (in green), 155.430a, 161.9375c (also used by the Doniphan site), 155.610a (also used by the Doniphan site), 155.325v, 154.980v and 169.8875iv.
The present listing on the RR Database has the above frequencies but omits the two Doniphan Frequencies and lists 155.5475 which is no longer used according to the data stream from the control channel at the Poplar Bluff Site.
I do not know why certain frequencies are being cross-listed by the “control channel DataStream” on both the Poplar Bluff and Doniphan sites.
Poplar Bluff Site NAC is 1C8 – The RR database has 1CB which I think is a typo?
Bloomfield Site (307) – Neighboring Sites:
199 – Listed as “Failed, current” (this is the Zone 3 Site on Wheels) – It may have moved out of range.
301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 317 and 332 – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database lists all the above EXCEPT for 199, 304, 305, 317.
Bloomfield Site (307) – Frequencies:
151.2425c (in Green), 151.340iv, 152.780a, 159.285v, 159.465v
The RR Database has the control & alternate channels switched (152.780c & 151.2425a), has all the other frequencies listed but lists two frequencies (152.525 & 173.775) that are no longer being identified by the control channel as being used.
Van Buren Site (302) – Neighboring Sites:
305, 307, 308, 309, 317, 318, 323 and 325 – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database lists only 308, 317, & 321, 321 is not presently supported by the control channel DataStream.
Van Buren Site (302) – Frequencies:
161.8875c, 155.640a, 155.130v, 161.800v
The present RR Database lists the above frequencies but has two additional frequencies, 155.070 & 155.295a. The present “control channel DataStream” does not support these two frequencies.
The Van Buren NAC is still being determined but I think it is either 1C2 or 1C3. When I am for sure I will report what I have found.
Although my results have been consistent over the last couple weeks or so (except for Van Buren Site’s NAC) I would suggest a second conformation from someone else (if not already SOP) of this data before entertaining any changes to the RR database.
Pro96Com “Control Channel” DataStream has generated the following for 2 weeks:
Doniphan Site (317) – Neighboring Sites:
199 – Listed as “Failed, current” (this is the Zone 3 Site on Wheels) – It may have moved out of range.
301, 302, 305, 307, 308, 309, 318 and 328 – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database only lists 318.
Doniphan Site (317) – Frequencies:
161.9375c (in green), 155.610a, 172.4625c (also used by Poplar Bluff site), 155.700i (CWID),
155.445v, 161.850v, 154.980v (also used by Poplar Bluff site)
The present listing on the RR Database has the above frequencies but omits the two Poplar Bluff Frequencies and lists 155.445v which is no longer used according to the data stream from the control channel at the Doniphan Site.
Poplar Bluff Site (308) – Neighboring Sites:
301, 302, 305, 306, 307, 309 and 317, – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database has N/A for Neighboring Sites.
Poplar Bluff Site (308) – Frequencies:
172.4625c (in green), 155.430a, 161.9375c (also used by the Doniphan site), 155.610a (also used by the Doniphan site), 155.325v, 154.980v and 169.8875iv.
The present listing on the RR Database has the above frequencies but omits the two Doniphan Frequencies and lists 155.5475 which is no longer used according to the data stream from the control channel at the Poplar Bluff Site.
I do not know why certain frequencies are being cross-listed by the “control channel DataStream” on both the Poplar Bluff and Doniphan sites.
Poplar Bluff Site NAC is 1C8 – The RR database has 1CB which I think is a typo?
Bloomfield Site (307) – Neighboring Sites:
199 – Listed as “Failed, current” (this is the Zone 3 Site on Wheels) – It may have moved out of range.
301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 317 and 332 – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database lists all the above EXCEPT for 199, 304, 305, 317.
Bloomfield Site (307) – Frequencies:
151.2425c (in Green), 151.340iv, 152.780a, 159.285v, 159.465v
The RR Database has the control & alternate channels switched (152.780c & 151.2425a), has all the other frequencies listed but lists two frequencies (152.525 & 173.775) that are no longer being identified by the control channel as being used.
Van Buren Site (302) – Neighboring Sites:
305, 307, 308, 309, 317, 318, 323 and 325 – These are always listed as “connected, current”.
The present RR Database lists only 308, 317, & 321, 321 is not presently supported by the control channel DataStream.
Van Buren Site (302) – Frequencies:
161.8875c, 155.640a, 155.130v, 161.800v
The present RR Database lists the above frequencies but has two additional frequencies, 155.070 & 155.295a. The present “control channel DataStream” does not support these two frequencies.
The Van Buren NAC is still being determined but I think it is either 1C2 or 1C3. When I am for sure I will report what I have found.
Although my results have been consistent over the last couple weeks or so (except for Van Buren Site’s NAC) I would suggest a second conformation from someone else (if not already SOP) of this data before entertaining any changes to the RR database.
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Pro96Com will retain the functions for each channel the site has been seen using during previous sessions, and retrieve the information in subsequent sessions.N0UDG said:
If you move, delete, or rename the Tower.txt file for these towers, the program will recreate those files from scratch, at which point the extra control channel designation will disappear.
It could be. A few NAC's have changed recently
The control channel doesn't advertise any information about a voice channel until it is used.
Most of the sites around here primarily alternate between two voice channels. In the event a third voice channel is needed, the channel designated as the CWID usually gets picked. The CWID happens at half hour intervals, and will be logged by Pro96Com if you wait for it. If a fourth voice channel is required, the alternate control channel is used.
Again, if Tower file is recreated from scratch, you'll be able to watch the channel list grow as they are used. The channels in question are probably still being used, but the amount of traffic on the site isn't heavy enough for them to be brought into the game.
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Talkpair, thank you for the feedback this is why I posted this information. I am new to the use of the Pro96Com Software.
I did initially run with all sites active so they were mixed therefore, I thought what you mentioned may have happen, so I locked only one control channel in at time and reloaded Pro96Com. However, I did not know about tower.txt so I will need to delete this and try again.
The Poplar Bluff NAC also does not follow the format of that the other area sites use, for example Doniphan is 1C6, Bloomfield is 1C7 and my readout from the software and Dongle was 1C8. Therefore, 1CB I thought was a mistake but like you said it could have changed too.
About the frequencies, I think you are thinking of the affiliation log or affiliation list tabs in Pro96Com which do change as more frequencies are used. I should have mentioned what tab I was actually using in Pro96Com to get the frequencies. I was using the tab in Pro96Com labeled "Site Information" and it will always give the exact same frequencies after one second or 1 hour later when accessed. At least it has for me.
I did initially run with all sites active so they were mixed therefore, I thought what you mentioned may have happen, so I locked only one control channel in at time and reloaded Pro96Com. However, I did not know about tower.txt so I will need to delete this and try again.
The Poplar Bluff NAC also does not follow the format of that the other area sites use, for example Doniphan is 1C6, Bloomfield is 1C7 and my readout from the software and Dongle was 1C8. Therefore, 1CB I thought was a mistake but like you said it could have changed too.
About the frequencies, I think you are thinking of the affiliation log or affiliation list tabs in Pro96Com which do change as more frequencies are used. I should have mentioned what tab I was actually using in Pro96Com to get the frequencies. I was using the tab in Pro96Com labeled "Site Information" and it will always give the exact same frequencies after one second or 1 hour later when accessed. At least it has for me.
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EDIT: I think Talkpair was corrected about the where I got the frequencies (in time some may be added but I do not believe any are ever deleted), I now think I did get them from the Affiliation list's Tab but the ones I used are the ones that appear BEFORE any broadcasts casts are heard. They appear immediately when you open the affiliation tab.
I guess it was too late at night to just use memory on something so new to me, but it does show that posting and getting everyone's opinion helps sort things out.
semo
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Most of this looks correct. The Doniphan affliate of 328 should be 325 instead. It is correct that the database control and alt control channels for Bloomfield has switched.
For Doniphan I get:
155.70000vi
161.85000v
161.93750c
155.44500v
155.61000a
This holds true that most sites use five frequencies, the Sikeston site is the exception in Southeast Missouri as it has six frequencies. I also dont seem to get the Poplar frequencies on the Doniphan site.
I cant get the Van Buren site to come in even on a good day anymore.
A few NAC 's are
1C8 Poplar Bluff
1C6 Doniphan
1C6 Sikeston
1C7 Bloomfield
1C1 Bakersville
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I can confirm all but the Sikeston site, which I presently cannot get. However, I am working on a beam which may change this.
Do you know why both Doniphan and Sikeston share the same NAC? I wonder if it has anything to do with both Doniphan and Bloomfield sites having the 199 adjacent site which I believe is a 700 MHz mobile repeater. I think Sikeston is a 700 MHz system.
semo
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Good Question. Sikeston is a 700 mHz system which makes it easier to differentiate between the two sites. MOSWIN does reuse NAC's though.
Charleston's NAC is 1C2
zzdiesel
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Where is NAC used at on a P25 system? I've never saw an option to use one or whatever.
semo
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It tends to show while searching and receiving a voice channel on P25. Its kind of like a PL tone. Its really not needed as far as I can tell on trunked systems. GRE's also show NACs when using the analyze feature on control channels. By seeing the NAC you can tell what site the voice channel goes with.
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Thanks. I'll be keeping an out for it & etc.
New? MSHP TG
Heard about one week ago MSHP using TG 18 for a speed trap in the metro St. Louis area. I noticed this TG is not listed as being one that has been ID'd. FYI
Heard about one week ago MSHP using TG 18 for a speed trap in the metro St. Louis area. I noticed this TG is not listed as being one that has been ID'd. FYI
State Police not on MOSWIN today?
Have been monitoring MOSWIN most of the day but have not heard any traffic from MSHP. Have heard faint traffic on VHF Lo band. I have checked my "system" on my 396xt and the sites are decoding OK. I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this today.
Have been monitoring MOSWIN most of the day but have not heard any traffic from MSHP. Have heard faint traffic on VHF Lo band. I have checked my "system" on my 396xt and the sites are decoding OK. I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this today.
Follow up.
Well, I seem to have found the problem. For the third time now my BCD396XT has had a "system" that for no known reason has stopped producing voice and stopped decoding the TG's in the system. This is the third time this has happened and each system has been a P25 system. What I have had to do is delete the system and reprogram the same system from scratch.
I have posted this problem before on the Uniden Scanner page here on RR and was basically told that what is happening to my scanner and these systems is "impossible". No matter how I plead my case I have been told "that just can't happen".
So maybe I will post it again over there but maybe I won't waste anyone's time and energy. In the mean time I believe my problem has been fixed and I am now hearing MOSWIN loud and clear.
In the mean time .... Any ideas?
Well, I seem to have found the problem. For the third time now my BCD396XT has had a "system" that for no known reason has stopped producing voice and stopped decoding the TG's in the system. This is the third time this has happened and each system has been a P25 system. What I have had to do is delete the system and reprogram the same system from scratch.
I have posted this problem before on the Uniden Scanner page here on RR and was basically told that what is happening to my scanner and these systems is "impossible". No matter how I plead my case I have been told "that just can't happen".
So maybe I will post it again over there but maybe I won't waste anyone's time and energy. In the mean time I believe my problem has been fixed and I am now hearing MOSWIN loud and clear.
In the mean time .... Any ideas?
I heard traffic from HP on MOSWIN. It was from the Imperial tower. Using troop c dispatch 1 and troop I on the shirley tower using troop I Dispatch 1. This was at 1550 hrs this date.
Troop F Channel ID-?
Was out a ways on Hwy 70 from StL this evening. Actually Warrenton. Was able to pick up Troop F very well on my 396XT. Heard a Troop C trooper tell his dispatcher he was switching to Troop F. When he switched over he advised the Troop F dispatcher that "HE WAS SWITCHING TO 'CAR ONE' ". (that's what it sounded like) He went from TG 20155 to 20156 when he went to 'car one'. Just fyi.
Was out a ways on Hwy 70 from StL this evening. Actually Warrenton. Was able to pick up Troop F very well on my 396XT. Heard a Troop C trooper tell his dispatcher he was switching to Troop F. When he switched over he advised the Troop F dispatcher that "HE WAS SWITCHING TO 'CAR ONE' ". (that's what it sounded like) He went from TG 20155 to 20156 when he went to 'car one'. Just fyi.
I just moved to Laclede County from Macon County and reprogrammed my scanner for MOSWIN down here and just picked up a talk group that's not listed in the RR DB 3545, and my luck I was in the other room and didn't hear clearly the traffic on that tg. Anyone might know what that is. Thanks
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