225-400 in 1.5 seconds. The best MilAir setup I've encountered yet.

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mancow you da man, What do I need to get that up & running for VHF low band like you touched on in your original post? I don't think I'll require preamps or any of those other add ons for low band, just the basic setup, awesome video, the speed.....INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!

Nothing different is needed other than adjusting the frequency ranges and gain levels of course. I guess there is one difference. The plugin likes the step to be larger than the filter width. This of course is an issue if you want to use 5k steps or smaller but you can still do it and it will still work. If you are after military low band just use 25k steps and 16k filter settings.
 

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Pretty amazing isn't it :)

Once you realize what SDR is really capable of, even the latest release $500 'flagship' hardware scanners start to lose their shine and begin to look old school.

I'm running SDRPlay with Vasilli's Frequency scanner and it rocks!
 

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Pretty amazing isn't it :)

Once you realize what SDR is really capable of, even the latest release $500 'flagship' hardware scanners start to lose their shine and begin to look old school.

I'm running SDRPlay with Vasilli's Frequency scanner and it rocks!

So true. I haven't twisted a knob in years.
 

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Is that the helical antenna? If so...where are you aiming it, or doesn't it really matter since you have a moving target?

No it's a fat dipole that is just capacitvily coupled with the center of the coax just laying against the active top portion separated only by the inner coax shield. It's a strange design. I took some photos when I had it apart. I would like to try duplicating it someday, maybe in other ranges like lowband.
 

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Ah, ok. Also thx for the bandwith/step size suggestion for the scanner plugin. I've had some trouble getting the scan to scan, and wasn't sure what was happening. Now I'll double-check my settings.
 

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Ah, ok. Also thx for the bandwith/step size suggestion for the scanner plugin. I've had some trouble getting the scan to scan, and wasn't sure what was happening. Now I'll double-check my settings.

Pay attention to the hysteresis as well. I generally run it two points below the SNR. If you invert them it will never stop it seems.
 

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Mancow, can you explain the purpose of the Hysteresis setting and how it relates to the SNR setting? The website for this plugin shows apparently an older version, and there's no Hysteresis setting in his example.

BTW I am am also using SDR# with AirSpy, and the best I can get for the entire 225 to 400 band is around 12 to 15 seconds.
 

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Mancow, can you explain the purpose of the Hysteresis setting and how it relates to the SNR setting? The website for this plugin shows apparently an older version, and there's no Hysteresis setting in his example.

BTW I am am also using SDR# with AirSpy, and the best I can get for the entire 225 to 400 band is around 12 to 15 seconds.

The SNR level (top red line) is the minimum signal level, above the noise floor, that will trigger a 'hit' and stop the scan/search. I usually set mine for 17-20dB (above the noise floor) in SDR#. Too much lower and you will get false hits on unwanted spurs in the noise floor.

The Hysteresis (lower red line) is the level in dB below the above SNR level that the scanner will remain on the 'hit' frequency after stopping. The Hysteresis is there to allow for a degree of signal fade during monitoring, such as when a station is mobile or when subject to mutipath fading etc. I usually set this to about 10dB below the SNR level when monitoring really weak signals. If you set the Hysteresis level too low, the scanner will never re-start after the signal disappears, as the spurs in the noise floor will keep triggering it.

Other points:

* Don't use the 'Auto gain' setting in the SDR receiver hardware. Manually setting the gain for the band you are operating on always produces the best S/n, lowest alias's and best weak signal performance. Find a weak signal and manually adjust your gain to produce the best S/n. For example, on the SDRPlay, I manually set the gain to 40. On an RTL dongle, I set both the IF and Mixer gain to 4 or 5 and crank the LNA/RF gain to max or 15 (from memory).

* Match the frequency step with the service you are monitoring i.e 12.5Khz, 25Khz, 50Khz etc.
* Reduce to a minimum your noise floor, by using a good external antenna, away from noise sources in your shack.
* Many of the receivers, including SDRPlay will suffer from FM broadcast signal alias's on the 220-400Mhz band when using a broadband external antenna. Use an FM trap if required.

Once setup correctly and optimized, you will be blown away by how quickly you can scan a huge slap of spectrum.
 

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Thanks for the tips; I will have to experiment further. I may spring for an FM broadcast band notch filter.

BTW, what are the green arrows for on the scanning control window? They don't seem to do anything.
 

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I can't seem to get this to work.... Configured my settings the same as suggested on the first post, but when I hit scan it slows to a crawl then eventually crashes out with .NET exceptions. Anyone else having difficulties?
 

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I can't seem to get this to work.... Configured my settings the same as suggested on the first post, but when I hit scan it slows to a crawl then eventually crashes out with .NET exceptions. Anyone else having difficulties?


When I set it up it was slow too. I raised the snr way up to just get it to scan, then lowered it until it started stopping on crap freqs. My settings now are
snr db 26
hysteresis 10
next s 2.0
detect 140 ms

i played with the last one after seeing that if set too low it would skip transmissions.

Then it took a few minutes to red x the unwanted stuff.

I don't have airspy. I have a crap ebay dongle but it works pretty good.

I am also using sdsharp 1361 and have not had any .net crashes.

Hope this helps.
 

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If I am correct the hysteresis is the level a signal can drop to while the timer is active and still be considered valid. I run mine only two below the SNR. Maybe that's incorrect but it seems to work the best for me.

My detect time is 20 ms.
 

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Took another look at this and have it running now... Had a brainfart when configuring the scanner and had entered '10' and '25' in the config settings instead of '10000' and '25000'. Duh.

Works like a charm now, damn this is slick!
 

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Took another look at this and have it running now... Had a brainfart when configuring the scanner and had entered '10' and '25' in the config settings instead of '10000' and '25000'. Duh.

Works like a charm now, damn this is slick!

I set this up for air but mostly use it in the fed bands. I did set up many of these,
Marks Scanner Default Band Coverage





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Do you have to use the airspy brand sdr or can you get good results with another brand? I had been looking at a few different Noo Elec brand ones on amazon.
 

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I have a Noo Elec dongle from eBay and it works well (generally speaking, not this specific application). I also have one of the temperature compensated models from rtl-sdr.com that I'm really happy with. They are a little more money (around $25) but work very well with little to no frequency drift. I obviously have an AirSpy as well which wins hands down, but you pay for that performance.
 
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