800/900 non-trunk?

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I probably should know this answer and I think I may but can anyone enlighten me further on a non-trunking 800/900 mhz scanner? I have a pro 2040 800mhz unit and wondered how much activity I could be hearing. Since the unit doesn't say it's trunk-tracking I'm assuming these bands should function as any other.

I should say that there isn't much, if any, trunking being used where I live currently but if there were, would this unit still follow any of the communications?

Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
 

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If you scan 800/900 trunked systems using a non-trunking scanner, you will hear activity on the frequencies but will not be able to properly follow the talkgroup conversation as it changes frequencies. The smaller and less busy the trunked system, the better luck you'll have trying to make sense of the conversations as they jump from frequency to frequency. However on a large, busy system like the NJSP statewide TRS, it would be nearly impossible and would get frustrating very quickly. Of course you'd only be able to hear analog channels on a conventional scanner, anything digital would just come across as noise.
 

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Thanks for the reply.

I figured that would be the case as far as being able to hear analog. So I would only hear bits and pieces and one sided conversations I presume is what you are saying.

But other than that, the band still provides "normal" 2-way traffic as with all other bands, correct?
 

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Thanks for the reply.

I figured that would be the case as far as being able to hear analog. So I would only hear bits and pieces and one sided conversations I presume is what you are saying.

But other than that, the band still provides "normal" 2-way traffic as with all other bands, correct?

Yes, with analog trunked frequencies. If there is 800/900MHz simplex/repeater frequencies such as ITAC and ICALL, and others in your area that are not P-25 conventional, yes again. Yes to all other two way traffic on the other bands.
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In most cases, yes you would only hear bits and pieces of conversations. If you let the scanner sit on a single TRS voice frequency for a minute or two, you might hear 10 or more different conversations from non-related talkgroups within that short time frame.

Using the New Jersey State Police system as an example, there are over 200 talkgroups throughout the entire state. If you let the scanner sit on one of the assigned voice frequencies, such as 852.2375, you could easily hear an SP unit in Sussex County run a plate, followed by hearing a DOT worker in Union County reporting a pothole, followed by NorthSTAR medevac asking for coordinates, and so on...all within a matter of seconds. The trouble is that the SP dispatcher for Sussex County would acknowledge the trooper on a different frequency, the DOT conversation would also move to a different frequency, as would the rest of the NorthSTAR conversation. After about 5 minutes of trying to make sense of it, you'd be reaching for the Advil!

Now, on a much smaller system that doesn't have much activity, maybe only 2-3 frequencies and a handful of talkgroups...it's very possible to scan those 3 frequencies and be able to follow a normal conversation most of the time. The trick in that case would be to setup each TRS frequency with no delay so the scanner moves on to the next frequency right away, in case the conversation changes frequencies.

But otherwise yes, the analog voice frequencies appear as "normal" 2-way traffic on a non-trunked scanner.
 

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Thanks fellas! I had to assume this would be the case and yes, I do realize how taxing it would be to follow a busy system without the trunking technology. So far, I'm fortunate not to have that type of system where I live. I'm not exactly sold on how or why it's better but I do know that I'm perfectly happy using the the "old" systems. Sooner or later I'll have to step up and get all this trunking stuff figured out though. Then I'll be on here every day looking for advice and help! ;)

Well, I think that covers it. Thanks again for your input.
 

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Thanks fellas! I had to assume this would be the case and yes, I do realize how taxing it would be to follow a busy system without the trunking technology. So far, I'm fortunate not to have that type of system where I live. I'm not exactly sold on how or why it's better but I do know that I'm perfectly happy using the the "old" systems. Sooner or later I'll have to step up and get all this trunking stuff figured out though. Then I'll be on here every day looking for advice and help! ;)

Well, I think that covers it. Thanks again for your input.

If you are talking about the Tompkins county trunked system, they are digital, P-25. Your 2040 will not even be able to monitor the frequencies. All you will hear is digital noise. SO, FD, PD for the county has pretty much migrated to the two year old system. Time to upgrade to a digital scanner:)
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I don't live there but yeah, that was a separate topic that then got me wondering about the unit I have as I wrote.

I still get a lot of activity on the 400 hz system mostly and a lot of the high band is still being used quite a bit there as well.

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You do not indicate where you are or what you want to monitor. I pick up a lot of "conventional" traffic on 800 MHz around here. CA state parks is one example.

Additionally, as someone else mentioned, you can scan the frequencies of a trunked system. There is a small system near me (police and fire) that has so little traffic at night, that I am able to scan "conventionally" and follow the conversations just fine.

An exact answer depends on the specifics of your situation.
 

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You do not indicate where you are or what you want to monitor. I pick up a lot of "conventional" traffic on 800 MHz around here. CA state parks is one example.

Additionally, as someone else mentioned, you can scan the frequencies of a trunked system. There is a small system near me (police and fire) that has so little traffic at night, that I am able to scan "conventionally" and follow the conversations just fine.

An exact answer depends on the specifics of your situation.

I'm in central NY but that was just a general question for the unit/scanning itself. The one responder must have seen my other post as to specific Tompkins county question and included it here.

Thank you for your reply.
 
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