A Cautionary Tale, or How an Amateur Planespotter Sparked Nuclear Dread

[trentbob]

Which is the funny part?

Speculation, or government propaganda press release?

Some actions are signals only.

Did the Russians shoot down one of our super-secret high-altitude reconnaissance plane inside their borders?

Our President himself denied it.

Then the Russians produced the pilot who very inconveniently survived.

The “rebuttal” itself isn’t honest AS a rebuttal. It’s of but ONE line of speculation, and presented overblown, at that. (The form of a lie).

How tax moneys are spent is a Constitutional requirement. Secrecy is limited to ongoing foreign relations only. And is then subject to review by the Senate.

“Doesn’t have the budget”, is contempt. Signal.

You’re being played from both ends (is the game).

A E6 Mercury is a signal and much more

On 9-11 the President literally disappeared, and the Vice President was in charge of national security from an undisclosed location.

Think an E6 was scrambled that day? Other nuclear powers are alerted in advance it takes off.

“Signal sent” has little or nothing to do with powerless American voters. What’s said to be “routine” is after-the-fact.

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Very interesting but unnecessarily cryptic twist here. Just to add a little bit of clarity. You are obviously referring to Frank Powers being shot down in his U-2 spy plane over the USSR in May 1960. Although he had been an Air Force captain he was a CIA pilot at that point. He should not have been captured. He should have taken out his "coin" and used it. That is a poison injection, prior to doing that he should have pressed the "red" button which would have detonated and destroyed the spy camera and its contents.

The first surface-to-air missile exploded near the plane dislodging the tail and right wing, he had time to to do the necessary tasks. He did not use the ejection seat but instead bailed out at 70 plus thousand feet.

He was captured and disarmed by a group of farmers, convicted of espionage but in 1962 was exchanged for the notorious Russian spy Rudolf Abel.

It's ironic that he died in a 1977 crash as a news Chopper pilot in California. Encino I think.

After the initial statements of no such flyovers are authorized President Eisenhower was cornered and eventually did not deny that the flights were happening and had been happening. Eisenhower refused to apologize to Nikita Khrushchev for the flyovers, that was a very costly action but very understandable. "Ike" was one tough bird having been a five-star general and supreme commander of the Allied Forces in World War II.

It caused Nikita Khrushchev to walk out of the Paris Summit negotiations where a nuclear test ban treaty was to be signed. It increased cold war tensions that led to the building of the Berlin Wall.

I guess what I'm saying is there's not a whole lot to be read into this or a few of the other things you mentioned, it just turned out to be one big charlie foxtrot.

 

[mancow]

Anyone listen during 9-11-01? I live near a nuclear bomber base. **** was lit.

 

[trentbob]

Haha, I didn't respond to the previous posters comments about 911 because I didn't want to open the can of worms.

I'm a retired newspaper man who worked for a large seven-day-a-week daily in Trenton, New Jersey just south of New York City. I had just been promoted the year before to a department editor... We had two rooftop antennas on the newspaper building and a great array of radios.

I'm not going to go into all the stories and events but yes I was listening. With regard to Aviation tracking it was amazing to see as time went on the response which was initially chaotic and inadequate but, in time, as you say, things really lit up lol

It was amazing to see the rerouting and outstanding efforts of shutting down the entire countries Aviation system and getting all those planes on the ground so quickly.

As far as the military response, again, chaotic and inadequate to begin with, it was very quickly realized, we were at war. This is not a drill.

 

[spacellamaman]

Which is the funny part?

On 9-11 the President literally disappeared, and the Vice President was in charge of national security from an undisclosed location.

Bull, the Pres. was never "there" to begin with. He hardly counted as an empty vessel figurehead. Cheney was always in charge of National Security.

And everyone knew where he was. He was onboard the Star Destroyer Devastator.

Anyone listen during 9-11-01? I live near a nuclear bomber base. **** was lit.

Nowwww were talking. As that was years before my scanning started I have always wondered how many out there heard interesting stuff, and more importantly....Recorded It!!!

Please say you had a VOX recorder or something hooked up!

 

[drdispatch]

Anyone listen during 9-11-01? I live near a nuclear bomber base. **** was lit.

I wish I had been. I was at work in my dispatch center, watching it on TV. And our radios (and phones) were pretty quiet.

 

[trentbob]

Bull, the Pres. was never "there" to begin with. He hardly counted as an empty vessel figurehead. Cheney was always in charge of National Security.

And everyone knew where he was. He was onboard the Star Destroyer Devastator.



Nowwww were talking. As that was years before my scanning started I have always wondered how many out there heard interesting stuff, and more importantly....Recorded It!!!

Please say you had a VOX recorder or something hooked up!

I wish I had been. I was at work in my dispatch center, watching it on TV. And our radios (and phones) were pretty quiet.

Star Destroyer Devastator, blahaha. Yeah our scanners at the paper were Bearcat 895XLT's... trunktrackers and PL tone protected which worked great with the rooftops. No, no recordings... a lot of stuff going on that day, we put out an extra with a deadline of 1:30. So I was 46 then and had been monitoring since I was about 11 so I was a very experienced monitor. Lots of Aviation traffic.

Photogs were spread thin but I started at the paper as a staff photographer so I would run out when I heard things on the scanner. Some of the photos were hundreds of people gathered at the local blood bank, state troopers in bulletproof vests with shotguns lining up patrol cars barricading the state capitol building, meeting the first train at Trenton train station out of New York City after the first collapse. Bewildered dazed people with their clothes torn, covered in soot and bleeding.

Hundreds of people in the Princeton area worked at the Twin Towers. Saddest photos were the many people vigilantly waiting at Princeton Junction and West Windsor train stations that night waiting for loved ones who would never come home.

It was surreal watching it on TV in The Newsroom, work was never the same for a couple of years after that day.

Hey that was 19 years ago. It's just important that we never forget. It's interesting to think about how much has changed in the last 19 years specifically because of that day, especially the military, police and the way we respond to emergencies.