Active Military frqs. in Colorado Springs

[rfburns]

Extended Trunking Table
Standard Plans: 3600 CC: UHF

If you check Standard UHF, doesn't that change table 00 to:
380:759:406.000:380:25.0

The tests that I did this morning with Win96 V1.55 still showed some errors. With the software I programmed 406.00000 and 12.500 into the table (not for Fort Carson). When I read it out manually it had saved 406.10000 and a step of 25.0. There were other similar errors with the base frequency and the step being different from what I wrote to the radio.

 

[abqscan]

Have you asked Don about this problem with Win96?

 

[mpdonala]

Win96

Win96 does program Ft. Carson into the scanners. Been there, have it, works great!

 

[Mick]

406-420 MHz update

I've had over a week to monitor and thanks to firescannerbob who had the correct base, offset, and spacing (for Ft. Carson) I was able to put together a corrected list of active monitored frqs in the 406-420 MHz area.

Colorado Springs active 406-420 MHz frqs; August 2008

406.1125 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0004
406.1500 PAFB SID 0157-0101
406.3625 USAFA SID 5F10
406.5625 PAFB SID 0157-0104
406.7750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
406.9625 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0003
406.9625 USAFA SID 5F10
407.1625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
407.3625 USAFA SID 5F10
407.5625 CC PAFB SID 0157-0101
407.7625 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
407.8625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
407.8875 CC PAFB SID 0157-0104
407.9500 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
407.9625 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
408.0875 PAFB SID 0157-0101
408.1250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
408.1625 PAFB SID 0157-0101
408.3625 PAFB SID 0157-0104
408.4250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
408.5625 PAFB SID 0157-0101
408.7625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
409.0250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.1250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
409.1625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
409.2750 PAFB SID 0157-0104
409.3500 PAFB SID 0157-0101
409.3625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.3750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
409.5125 CC PAFB SID 0157-0101
409.5625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
409.6375 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.6875 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.7000 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.7125 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
409.7625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.9625 PAFB SID 0157-0104
410.0750 data
410.1500 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
410.1625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
410.1750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
410.3250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
410.3750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
410.5500 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002

PAFB = Peterson AFB
USAFA = U.S. Air Force Academy
CC = Control Channel heard
406.9625 in use by USAFA and Ft. Carson.

Here's my list from 6 days of monitoring this last week. The Ft. Carson channels can be heard individually using P25, but I just cannot get the Control Channels to work properly in my BCD396T scanner. Saw this at a Radio Hawaii Yahoo Group which may be applicable at Ft. Carson: "They may be using a new STATE of the ART Motorola Equipment called Pacific Land Mobile Radio. Motorola has ADP which if used our digital scanners can't lock on to the 9600 baud datastream." I suspect the Control Channels with System ID A931 belong to Ft. Carson.

I have not determined what Schreiver AFB or Cheyenne Mountain are using for their radio systems.

Colorado Springs active 406-420 MHz Military frqs. January 2008

406.1500 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0101
406.3125 CC (not Ft. Carson; can't get SID, too weak)
406.3625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10
406.5500 USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (listed at RadioReference, not active)
406.5625 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0104
406.7750 CC A931-0002 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
406.9625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10
406.9875 CC too weak
407.0750 CC A931-0001 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
407.1375 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
407.1625 CC USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (not listed at RadioReference)
407.3250 USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (listed at RadioReference, not active)
407.3625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10
407.5500 USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (listed at RadioReference, not active)
407.5625 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0101
407.7625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10
407.8125 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
407.8625 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
407.8875 CC P25 TRS SID 0157-0104, w/406.5625, 408.3625, 409.275 & 409.9625
407.9500 CC A931-0005 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
407.9625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (listed at RadioReference, not heard)
408.0000 USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (listed at RadioReference, not heard)
408.0875 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0101
408.1250 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
408.1625 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0101
408.3625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10; P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0104
408.4250 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
408.5625 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0101
408.7625 CC USAFA TRS SID 5F10
408.8000 P25
409.0250 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.1250 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.1625 CC USAFA TRS SID 5F10
409.2750 P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0104
409.3125 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0001
409.3500 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0001
409.3625 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.3750 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.5125 P25 CC PAFB TRS SID 0157-0101
409.5625 CC USAFA TRS SID 5F10
409.6375 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.6875 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.7000 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.7125 USAFA TRS SID 5F10 (listed at RadioReference, not active); (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.7625 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
409.9625 USAFA TRS SID 5F10; P25 PAFB TRS SID 0157-0104
410.1500 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
410.1625 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
410.1750 P25
410.3250 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)
410.5500 P25 (Part of the Ft. Carson TRS)

 

[MtnBiker2005]

Nice logging Mick!

Looks like System 157 has some new 'Control Channel' that needs to be updated to show on the DB!

But come back to SoCal soon!

 

[abqscan]

Great job Mick! By chance were you able to log any talkgoups?

 

[firescannerbob]

Thanks for the update, Mick!

 

[radiowatcher_06]

Ft Carson again

Has anyone else noticed that when monitoring Ft Carson a few of the trunking channels don't work on the scanner. I am having problems getting 100% of all transmissions, and if I turn the squelch all the way down when scanner is on a voice channel all I get is static, which leads me to believe that there is a trunking table problem. I am currently using a PSR-500 with all trunking tables matching the database with the scanner in MOT VHF/UHF setting with a super gainer antenna and a full signal on the control channel.

Does anybody in the Colorado Springs area have a PSR-500 (or any scanner for that matter) that has had 100% success with the Ft Carson UHF system?

Thanks

 

[Mick]

Ft. Carson

Hi Erik,

Just today I put together the active TG's heard. Site 001, 002, & 005 were simulcast. The Control channels for Site 003 (406.9625, & I think 407.8125) & Site 005 (406.1125) were too week at my location to track any TG's to verify if the same TG's were simulcast on them.

A931 TG’s Aug 2008

16 Fire dispatch
64 Fire “Command”
656 Law enforcement
768
1008 “loading” “track”
1024 “Rail” ops
1232 “Front gate”
1296
1600
1616
1952 range
2032 range
2064 range
2160 range
2192
2224 “Tower , Crash 3”
2240 “Range control”
2624 Convoy
2656 range
2928
6112
10624 “Truck master” “Roadrunner”
17744
32080 Encrypted
32144 “Security ops”; clear/encrypted
39664 “Staff duty” “War horse” “Thunder motor pool”
39696
41392 “Red Warrior base” “Staff duty”
41520 “SOG”
41584
42048 “Convoy”

A931 Ft. Carson, Colorado:

Site 001 407.7625c, 407.8625, 408.1250, 409.0250, 409.3625, 409.6375, 409.6875, 409.7000, 409.7625, 410.1500, 410.3250

Site 002 407.9625c, 408.4250, 409.1250, 410.1625, 410.5500

Site 003 406.9625c

Site 004 406.1125c

Site 005 407.9500c, 409.375, 409.7125, 410.3750

Great job Mick! By chance were you able to log any talkgoups?

 

[Mick]

Inputs to TRS

For anyone interested I noted that the input frqs. to the frqs. listed below at Ft. Carson and U.S. Air Force Academy were 9.00 MHz above them. I did not have time to check the inputs to Peterson AFB frqs.

I've had over a week to monitor and thanks to firescannerbob who had the correct base, offset, and spacing (for Ft. Carson) I was able to put together a corrected list of active monitored frqs in the 406-420 MHz area.

Colorado Springs active 406-420 MHz frqs; August 2008

406.1125 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0004
406.1500 PAFB SID 0157-0101
406.3625 USAFA SID 5F10
406.5625 PAFB SID 0157-0104
406.7750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
406.9625 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0003
406.9625 USAFA SID 5F10
407.1625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
407.3625 USAFA SID 5F10
407.5625 CC PAFB SID 0157-0101
407.7625 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
407.8625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
407.8875 CC PAFB SID 0157-0104
407.9500 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
407.9625 CC Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
408.0875 PAFB SID 0157-0101
408.1250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
408.1625 PAFB SID 0157-0101
408.3625 PAFB SID 0157-0104
408.4250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
408.5625 PAFB SID 0157-0101
408.7625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
409.0250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.1250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
409.1625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
409.2750 PAFB SID 0157-0104
409.3500 PAFB SID 0157-0101
409.3625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.3750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
409.5125 CC PAFB SID 0157-0101
409.5625 CC USAFA SID 5F10
409.6375 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.6875 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.7000 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.7125 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
409.7625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
409.9625 PAFB SID 0157-0104
410.0750 data
410.1500 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
410.1625 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002
410.1750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
410.3250 Ft. Carson SID A931-0001
410.3750 Ft. Carson SID A931-0005
410.5500 Ft. Carson SID A931-0002

PAFB = Peterson AFB
USAFA = U.S. Air Force Academy
CC = Control Channel heard
406.9625 in use by USAFA and Ft. Carson.

 

[radiowatcher_06]

A couple more TG's I've heard over the past couple months to add to the list

48 - FD Command 5
64 - FD Operation 6
6112 - Gulf Coarse
672 - Law Tac
12288 - IED Range Training Graveyard Channel?

 

[radiowatcher_06]

Liverdog, you rock! Your trunking tables are right on the money. Now that I've blown the old offsets gotten from the rr database and inputted the info you provided I'm now tracking flawlessly.

Thanks again!

Well, you got me on this one... I had to look at the version I had. I just downloaded and paid for Win96 in December (couple of months ago) and it is showing V01.54.

Well here's my best shot at the Pro96 config...

Type: MOT

Control channels in order with my labels

00 FT CARSN CC1 407.07500 MOT 0.0 Delay
01 FT CARSN CC2 406.77500 MOT 0.0 Delay
02 FT CARSN CC3 407.76250 MOT 0.0 Delay
03 FT CARSN CC4 407.96250 MOT 0.0 Delay
04 FT CARSN CC5 407.95000 MOT 0.0 Delay

MOT 3600 CC: Multi table

Extended Trunking Table
Standard Plans: 3600 CC: UHF

#/ CH Lo/ CH Hi/ Base Freq/ Offset/ Step
00/ 380/ 679/ 406.11250/ 380/ 12.5/
01/ 680/ 694/ 410.15000/ 680/ 12.5/


I used UniTrunker and some other methods to calculate these numbers. They work well in the Pro-96 and were compared against the 396t and UniTrunker for completeness and accuracy.

Other TGs not currently in the database (my guesses based on traffic):

ROGUE BASE/ 2576/ (basewide logistics, including janitorial, setup/teardown operations)
LE TAC 2/ 2576/ (security police TAC 2)
RGH RIDER MN/ 40048/ (Rough Rider Main- Task force operations)
WAR HRSE MN/ 39632/ (War Horse Main- Task force operations)
BULLET OPS/ 10656/ (Specific Range operations)


Note: All TGs listed here and in the database are non-encrypted (P25/Astro). The only TG I heard that was encrypted was their Base Security Operations, and that is only an inference based on units saying to switch to Security Ops and then hearing only bleep-blop-scree-cablump...

 

[prcguy]

There are also a bunch of common VHF lo band freqs used at Ft. Carson but I've forgotten them over the years. One of my favorites (in the 39MHz range I believe) was used by people guarding the various ranges and they would check in all the time calling "guard post guard post, this is bla bla for radio check over". The main post would usually reply "I read you lima charlie" for loud and clear. Whenever someone was injured downrange you could hear communications between helicopters and the ground guys to coordinate getting the injured to the hospital. I had great fun listening to VHF lo band from Ft. Carson when I lived in CS.
prcguy

 

[Liverdog]

Usafa

Old post revived...

Does anyone have the USAFA system in either a Pro-96 or a GRE-RS 500/600-106/197? Is it working??

I have tried programming these models and it is not working... It seems to be something specific to these models 'cause I have a BC396t that is working correctly with the info from the RR database.

I tried the data dump feature in Win500 while looking at the AFA control channel and there is a 99% decode with traffic... just no voice channel activity on the 96 or the new GRE-RS.

I've double and triple checked the trunking tables and have a wildcard turned on (not that this matters in the 96).

Ideas?

 

[firescannerbob]

This is what I have in my Pro-96: Base freq 406.33750, Offset 380, Step 12.5khz. I don't know if thats what you have.
It's been awhile since I turned on that bank in my 96, but the last time I did have it on, it worked. I can listen for it tomorrow and make sure nothing has changed.

 

[Liverdog]

Ya, if you don't mind Bob... I thought I had it working in the 96 awhile ago, but since playing with the new toy I revisited now, and it not working...

BTW, did you use software to program your radio(s) or did you use the front keypad?

Thanks

This is what I have in my Pro-96: Base freq 406.33750, Offset 380, Step 12.5khz. I don't know if thats what you have.
It's been awhile since I turned on that bank in my 96, but the last time I did have it on, it worked. I can listen for it tomorrow and make sure nothing has changed.

 

[firescannerbob]

Ya, if you don't mind Bob... I thought I had it working in the 96 awhile ago, but since playing with the new toy I revisited now, and it not working...

BTW, did you use software to program your radio(s) or did you use the front keypad?

Thanks

I used software. I just got home, and have the AFA bank turned on. I'll update you on what I hear.
FWIW, I am getting 3600 baud CC noise on 409.5625....

 

[firescannerbob]

Well, after a couple of hours with the Pro-96's AFA bank turned on (and in "open" mode, no less), I haven't heard a thing on it.
Something sure has changed...

 

[Cryptolog]

Monitored the USAFA system from the hospital area for about an hour today. Used the PSR500 in sweeper mode and the PRO96 in open mode. Only thing heard was the maintenance contractors. Got them on both radios. Also search 406-420 but found nothing new. Manuals say both the 96 and 500 will not receive encrypted transmissions. The rumor/insider info some time ago was that all bases in our area would eventually go encrypted. I imagine that's already happened for the military TGs on this system. Oh well. The air freqs were alway much more interesting than the trunked system anyway.

 

[firescannerbob]

Monitored the USAFA system from the hospital area for about an hour today. Used the PSR500 in sweeper mode and the PRO96 in open mode. Only thing heard was the maintenance contractors. Got them on both radios. Also search 406-420 but found nothing new. Manuals say both the 96 and 500 will not receive encrypted transmissions. The rumor/insider info some time ago was that all bases in our area would eventually go encrypted. I imagine that's already happened for the military TGs on this system. Oh well. The air freqs were alway much more interesting than the trunked system anyway.

I don't think encryption is the issue. The Pro96/PSR500/Pro106 WILL receive encrypted transmissions, it just won't DECODE them (no scanners will). So, if they are encrypted, you'd still hear something (garbled, unintelligible, but you'll hear it). I think that public safety at the AFA must have left the system entirely.
I don't live too far from the AFA, but the Austin Bluffs hill is between me and them, so it's always been somewhat of a hindrance. I haven't heard squat since this thread started, but that's not conclusive of anything.