Another Encryption threat

[FireJustin]

Hobbs officials trying to pull the Encryption ripcord:
Hobbs Officials Call for Action To Protect Emergency Responders - KWES NewsWest 9 / Midland, Odessa, Big Spring, TX: newswest9.com |

 

[SCPD]

Can you blame them? I know for fact he was utilizing a scanner plus phone listening. They didn't mention it in article. Originally only tacs, ems to hospital, ert swat, and events, admin were going to use phase 2 p25 aes. So the memo had specified sent out to interop agencies close by. But can you blame them? He listened to every move compromising swat safety. Of course bad management to policy and bad politics had stalled the edacs system to use high end equipment on tacs originally in past and leading it to be left open. Numerous vhf agencies have ability to switch on and off and strapped side channels in full use for secure comms in near by agencies, every one in 5 county radius secures tacs to detectives. So nothing big. With recent concerns of legit nature it is no surprise. Originally the harris equipment was purchased for dual band operations with out lying vhf agencies and planned vhf zone for outside interop when need be as well as sheriff having vhf channels for outlying counties connecting to lea. Then several issues arrose with tacs being streamed on side sites to persons in criminal activity or persons with warrents having scanners on them when arrested and the local cop watch deal kicking off (jobless morons with no life to me) and one thing noted was that a few out of hobbs area people they had scanners following law enforcement. Yeah it was sent out also to watch for that group. It's been a issue for some recent time out that way and due to money and politics had been stalled. But it's legit. Not some farce fantasy excuse. How would you feel if you were followed every call and harassed filmed for no reason or wrong doing? Catching something on film is one thing but to follow law every call or traffic stop is absurd. You should be lucky that dispatch is going to be left open for time being unless issues arrose. The new system will have a secure traffic stop channel and secure residence address dispatch channel As well as other channels secured. Basic dispatch will be left open Unless it involves residential addresses and names those will be on secure dispatch. Cruces is in same process to solve these issues before they arise and already low power aes secure tacs anyway. One on top of many issues is parents calling requesting a sergeant because of traffic stops in legit nature for traffic violations to calls to a residence and relatives calling in making a issue for no reason. People did it to themselves I'm sorry to say.

 

[PACNWDude]

It's always done for a reason, and seem to be plenty of reasons here.

I'm amazed more criminals did not watch the movie Heat where scanners were used and shown several times in the movie.

Encryption is only as good as the equipment and then people operating/maintaining it though.

 

[toastycookies]

meh. criminals will still listen in if they choose to. p25 aes has been crackable for 5 years or so.

 

[kayn1n32008]

meh. criminals will still listen in if they choose to. p25 aes has been crackable for 5 years or so.

Source? Please cite a reputable source that AES-256 has been breached.

DES has been broken, but as far as I know AES has not.


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[SCPD]

It hasn't. Specially since they plan to use otar and otap harris system With rekey.

 

[hitechRadio]

meh. criminals will still listen in if they choose to. p25 aes has been crackable for 5 years or so.

He's right!
Heck even AES1056 has been cracked for at least a year now.

I don't have any proof to show, cause I am a criminal by trade, and don't want any of my secrets getting out.

Hint: You must have this special device with the correct Key Loaded in it, then you hook the special device to your radio and transfer the key to the radio, and bam it's cracked!

 

[kayn1n32008]

He's right!

Heck even AES1056 has been cracked for at least a year now.



I don't have any proof to show, cause I am a criminal by trade, and don't want any of my secrets getting out.



Hint: You must have this special device with the correct Key Loaded in it, then you hook the special device to your radio and transfer the key to the radio, and bam it's cracked!

Lol! That's Daekstar right?


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[hitechRadio]

Lol! That's Daekstar right?

The one and only! Daekstar1056!

 

[SCPD]

none less all hog wash talk. A criminal wouldn't speak his mind on here since admin as well as law enforcment to system admins not to mention one from lea hangs around here. so you openly are a smooth criminal yet claim to be breaking fedreal laws with equipment?

 

[scannermanner1]

none less all hog wash talk. A criminal wouldn't speak his mind on here since admin as well as law enforcment to system admins not to mention one from lea hangs around here. so you openly are a smooth criminal yet claim to be breaking fedreal laws with equipment?

Hahaha it's a joke man don't get your feathers ruffled

 

[scannermanner1]

Hmm I failed to see how using an encryption key loader to load an encryption key into a radio is breaking federal law ?!?!?

 

[kayn1n32008]

meh. criminals will still listen in if they choose to. p25 aes has been crackable for 5 years or so.

Hey toasty... Got that source to cite yet?


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[SCPD]

Hmm I failed to see how using an encryption key loader to load an encryption key into a radio is breaking federal law ?!?!?

If you are not authorized to hear or have the key then you are breaking the law. There is federal laws regarding this. There had been EMTs to fire fighters who took it upon selves to snag a key and load there own radio without authorization. Some were lucky in other parts of country to only just loose employment. I know your high end criminal on organized crime wouldn't care. None less a good system admin uses otap and otar re keying on a regular basis. Solves that old problem which majority utilize this feature. So it would make the loader pointless And they intend to use otap and otar. Not that Lea has certain problems of mexico bleeding over as El paso to rural dona ana and luna have. Maybe averge wanna be thuggies or Lubbock hide outs but nothing remotely close to what's going on not publicly talked of in counties west. But otap and otar will be used. They spent a good dime over some time now getting everything. If it wasn't for the recent ert situation in media spotlight the chief and sheriff would still be at commission meetings justifying the costs of the one tower and final equipment installs and costs. commissioners tend to give freely when the media turns there way and avoid negative outlooks. Tacs should been secured long ago for those situations. But several looked other way until albuquerque put the spotlight on. There following the Texas end of things. in time they will border the Rio grande regional communication system so that was the old name I forget what it is called now but it calls for 100 percent secure communications to due to border threats and issues. Not sure on the other Lubbock end I forget which region it falls under with the networks that way but lea will have sites for those 2 texas regions inside state line once those are built out both touching lea. So seems they stuck to following like they always have the Lubbock and El paso path. I know majority around lea have no interest in trunking what so ever and some it is not feasible Due to terrain. Unless the fcc bumps things up makes public safety go onto 7/8 or the state adopts a newer plan for trunking I see majority of the smaller cities and county sheriff's sticking vhf since most have invested highly and costly into vhf equipment recently last 3 years to now causing tears to some in politics. I don't see the state going anywhere else soon as they been focusing on building out the vhf p25 and newer p25 microwave links along with getting the p25 capable extenders slowly rolled out to some Replacing the old ht1000 and vrs750 pacs To areas who plan to go vhf digital within the next year or two. The rest will fall along as needed.

 

[hitechRadio]

none less all hog wash talk. A criminal wouldn't speak his mind on here since admin as well as law enforcment to system admins not to mention one from lea hangs around here. so you openly are a smooth criminal yet claim to be breaking fedreal laws with equipment?

LOL! Your Joking RIGHT!

It was blatantly obvious I was being sarcastic!

 

[batrastard]

Encryption

Every department uses officer safety as a reason to go to an encrypted system, so when everyone is encrypted, fire, ems, pd, etc., etc. then who will police the police. I see this as a step towards a police state where law enforcement can do what they want with no thought of someone watching the watchers.

 

[SCPD]

Granted it upsets scanner users and hams but majority don't abuse using it and it is done for legit reasons. I can tell you a hand full of recent stories not even mentioned by media which would concern Joe public. Specially in the way west texas areas and southern part of NM near border.

 

[batrastard]

Hobbs Encryption

I have listened to scanners in the three states that I have lived in full time over the last 14 years that I have been in the hobby. I cannot count the number of times that law enforcement has been helped on a BOLO because of people that have scanners and use them legally are listening. We need to quit looking at scanners like we do gun control, quit punishing those who legally own and use a scanner.

 

[hitechRadio]

I have listened to scanners in the three states that I have lived in full time over the last 14 years that I have been in the hobby. I cannot count the number of times that law enforcement has been helped on a BOLO because of people that have scanners and use them legally are listening. We need to quit looking at scanners like we do gun control, quit punishing those who legally own and use a scanner.

WHAT! Gun Control comparison....to Scanners.

Most departments will post to social media and/or notify media if there looking for a person or other things of PUBLIC interests.

You say Quote "I cannot count the number of times that law enforcement has been helped on a BOLO because of people that have scanners".

I cannot count the number of times I have heard of a scanner or cell phone app being helpful to a crook/s.

 

[eaf1956]

Here in Evansville they have officer safety alerts if the house has a scanner or VIDEO cameras. Really, A camera is a compromise to officer safety??? I can understand GUNs or other things like Swords etc.