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I have been self programming my personal radios for years. All have been kenwood except a xts1500. I have been looking at the APX 6000 700/800 recently and have never programmed a trucking system of any type. I have a few questions. First, can I charge the APX6000 with the impress charger that my xts1500 uses. Second, when programming a trucking system , is it all the frequencies in a bank for each system then you program the channels for each service on the system? (That may not make sense). Does the GPS on it allow me to track if lost or stolen ? And last, am I able to monitor systems freely ( like a scanner) or can they see that my radio is Monitoring and block my radio. Thanks
 

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I have been looking at the APX 6000 700/800 recently and have never programmed a trucking system of any type.


Sorry to be blunt but if you can't spell trunking properly, you're probably not the type of person who should be programming up a radio on someone else's trunking system.
 

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Your questions reflect a profound lack of understanding of trunking systems, and what it takes to program them. In dealing with programming Motorola trunking radios, throw out everything you think you know about radio programming. Doubly so with the APX series.

Once you get past your last question (the answer is yes), the next question you should ask is if you have the system keys. If you don't know, or don't know what the system key is, then you'd be best served to forget the whole idea.

This is the nice answer you're going to get from this bunch here.
 
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My phone changed it from trunking to trucking. I have never seen such rude people. I am trying to learn about what this is. I stated that I was new to this type of radio.
 

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I have never seen such rude people.

You ain't seen nuthin, yet.

Here's why people are rude about this. A properly programmed trunking radio requires "system keys" to program. The software simply WON'T let you program trunking systems without it. System keys are considered proprietary to the particular system, and are closely guarded by system administrators. Unless you work at the radio shop maintaining the system, you're NOT going to get it.

Programming a radio requires an ID number to be assigned. On the off chance that you actually had the right keys, randomly choosing an ID can cause interference to the operation of authorized users of the system. It can pull that ID's affiliation to other talk groups or parts of the system, and cause the authorized users to miss calls. Duplicate ID's in a system can wreak all sorts of havoc. Even if it's not a duplicate ID, selecting a talkgroup in a part of the system it's not normally used can create channel loading problems, because many systems don't even transmit a talkgroup out through a site unless there's actually a radio affiliated to it. If it's YOUR radio causing the affiliation, now a transmitter is being occupied by an unauthorized user wanting to listen.

A trunking radio contains a transmitter, and the radio affiliates with the system, causing it to actually transmit a signal. If you're not authorized on that system, that affiliation transmission is illegal.

Every time you turn the radio on, or change the channel, the radio affiliates. So, merely listening in is NOT a passive act, like it is with a scanner. That radio becomes one with the system it's monitoring, and YOUR operation of the radio can direct how and where and whether the entire system radiates a particular talkgroup.

It is for this reason that people who are new to radios and come on here asking about things like putting an APX on a trunking system when they clearly do not know raises all sorts of alarms.
 
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Please. Anyone with a brain can go online, enter the system ID, & create a key in 10 seconds. Then you set the radio to NOT affiliate, & the whole above post is moot. But seriously, unless you know what you are doing, just buy a scanner. This is not something for a beginner.
 

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Please. Anyone with a brain can go online, enter the system ID, & create a key in 10 seconds. Then you set the radio to NOT affiliate, & the whole above post is moot. But seriously, unless you know what you are doing, just buy a scanner. This is not something for a beginner.

Please show me the "not affiliate" checkbox in APX CPS.
 

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Please. Anyone with a brain can go online, enter the system ID, & create a key in 10 seconds. Then you set the radio to NOT affiliate, & the whole above post is moot. But seriously, unless you know what you are doing, just buy a scanner. This is not something for a beginner.

You make it sound so easy. But where in the help files of CPS does it show you how to do that? What if advanced keys are required? Where in the CPS for an APX is the check box for "do not affiliate"?

Sounds like you haven't had to analyze system logs to determine why a call wasn't heard because the affiliation was captured by an unauthorized radio elsewhere in the network. I have. It's real. It happens, and I think people without the proper background should be discouraged from putting real radios on trunking systems they're not authorized to.
 

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Sorry to be blunt but if you can't spell trunking properly, you're probably not the type of person who should be programming up a radio on someone else's trunking system.

Someone else's system... you act like it's privately owned or something. I'm not sorry, you sound like a miserable piece of s***. There's no justification for talking to him like that. I don't know what "type of person" you think he is but I'm sure he's probably a better type of person than you are lol. :-D

I'm sure this was just a typo. And if this individual wishes to monitor a trunking radio system then we should offer nothing but help. Sure it's a really complicated process and involves obtaining system keys that may or may not be publicly available but that doesn't mean they are not obtainable. I mean why do you seem so butt-hurt about somebody wanting to listen to a trunked radio system with an actual subscriber radio rather than a consumer police scanner? The system he's trying to monitor may be a p25 simulcast system. These systems(like the one in my county) are almost impossible to monitor with a p25 capable police scanner unless your are in very close proximity to one of the simulcast sites. Having a Motorola XTS or APX radio programmed to the system you want to monitor and know what you're doing as far as programming goes is the way I would prefer to listen to my county's regime whoops i mean "law enforcement". It's just important for him to know that his radio MUST NOT AFFILIATE WITH THE RADIO SYSTEM or his radio could be rendered useless remotely by one of their radio techs or whoever they hire to do their radios. They can kill the radio you know, brick it. Just by sending a signal to it if they see it and know it isn't one their own. There should be the checkbox somewhere in the CPS titled "affiliate with system" or something to the effect of that. This is my guess. I don't know what the programming software looks like for the APX radios. Maybe it can't even be done with the APX radios, I don't know. I do know however, that it can be done with the XTS radios. There is a tutorial on youtube that shows you how to program the radio correctly and to not affiliate with the system so it only listens and never transmits. I'm sure there is ample information on this forum regarding this as well.

If I were you I would go with an xts radio. You say you have some experience programming your Kenwood radios so I'm sure you can figure this one out. It's just a lot to learn, oh man is it a lot to learn sheesh let me tell you. Check out Youtube, I'm sure there's someone on there explaining any questions you have. Also just browse this forum, RadioReference is a treasure trove.
 

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Not to mention that in addition to all the above, it's a crime, and in some jurisdictions it's a felony.
 

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Please show me the "not affiliate" checkbox in APX CPS.
Sorry, that’s my mistake. For years I have listened to some systems on a Jedi, & XTS3000. Everyone said move up to an XTS2500, & it will affiliate no matter what. So I recently got a 2500, & yes, you can tell it to not affiliate. So that was my mistake about the APX. I meant XTS2500/5000. Sorry.
 

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There should be the checkbox somewhere in the CPS titled "affiliate with system" or something to the effect of that.

There isn't.

This is my guess.

You guessed wrong. As I stated in my post above, having a real radio on a trunked system, particularly a P25 system, is not a passive act.

There is a tutorial on youtube that shows you how to program the radio correctly and to not affiliate with the system so it only listens and never transmits.

The flaw with this is that in a P25 system, unless a radio is actually affiliated in the site you're listening to, on the TG you want to hear, the system doesn't actually even transmit it out that site.

Programming a radio for a P25 system could well be an expensive exercise in frustration for the listener, as well as a dangerous one if the programming isn't done very carefully... by someone who doesn't know about radios and how these things work.
 

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Someone else's system... you act like it's privately owned or something. I'm not sorry, you sound like a miserable piece of s***. There's no justification for talking to him like that. I don't know what "type of person" you think he is but I'm sure he's probably a better type of person than you are lol. :-D

Well, talking to an admin like that might be just a bit ill advised.

Plus, anyone who doesn't take the time to spell check his post before sending probably won't have the necessary education and patience to be critical enough to get the programming right. Most systems when detecting a non authorized ID immediately send an nhibit command without human intervention. So, radio turned on, affiliation sent, return burst is 'dead radio', try again next time.

This whole topic learns towards illegal activity, since doing any of the things necessary to monitor a trunked system with a radio that is unauthorized breaks the law.
 
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I’m sorry I caused any problem. I am a flight paramedic, and have been in Ems for 13 years now. I use radios more than scanners. Services around me are either talking or have switched to trunking. It’s new to my area and I’m just trying to figure out what to go with to monitor. Thanks everyone for your help.
 
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