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Obviously some people have a rather cavalier attitude toward the subject at hand, thinking, and saying, essentially, "Oh, it's not such a big deal. Either he does it or he doesn't do it, what business it is of yours?" And then there are those like myself who tend to take this matter far more seriously, as I believe it fully JUSTIFIES.

Mess with a public safety trunked system and you run the risk of accidentally (or even intentionally) interfering with communications under situations which can involve safety of life for first responders and others. It'd be just great (sarcasm) if you were to accidentally disrupt communications in an active fire scene with firemen in a burning building undergoing collapse. Imagine if it was YOUR transmission that kept them from reaching safety and dying because of it.

Yes that's an extreme example but most definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

I'll never apologize for saying what, if taken as good advice, might help to avoid a problem for first responders.

YOU don't need to be listening. Neither do I. If I am to do so, I insist on doing so in a purely passive, listen only method, and being SURE that I'm not wrong about it. It's not unfair that I should ask that others who wish to also listen in should take great care to also ensure that their equipment only listens passively as well.

It won't take too many more instances of someone making the news for interfering with a radio system from just this sort of shenanigans with a radio and programming software obtained off ebay, for me to start fully supporting all measures to encrypt public safety systems and also migrate to full usage of radio authentication.
 

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Don't try to present a strategy for discussing NAS. It won't work. Posters here get blasted by the self-appointed NAS police no matter how they ask their questions. And you just proved it. OP asks about the TG/AG Disabled field and gets accused of being "cagey" and using different usernames.

Responders here are getting weird because that's their nature. They're weird already, in other words. Some of you guys seem to get off with your "authoritative" gatekeeping responses. Like it's your personal responsibility to police NAS and the Motorola forum in general. It's usually the same dozen or so of you. You know who you are. If instead of patrolling your little fiefdom, you put that energy into explaining the concepts of NAS, we'd all be a lot better off. But that's not as much fun, is it? What a tortured life.

It would be nice to see moderators actually moderate "get a scanner" type replies and all the rest of the BS as off topic. It seems that simply locking the de-railed threads and waiting for the next one to pop up is the way to go. But that's none of my business, as they say.

As for asking for help before screwing something up... I'd rather drag my dick through a mile of broken whiskey bottles than ask for help with NAS on this forum.
Uhh it's not an accusation. Go back and look at the threads GTR8000(who's always on the ball) is talking about, the old username is still in the quoted posts. OP says he doesn't know who that is and talks in 3rd person. That's weird and cagey. I don't know if I'm "you guys" I tend to like to jump in and give a answer past all the "get a scanner" types on here so the posters get a sense of understanding whats going on that they came here for help that other replies don't help, I figure they'll do it anyways so might as well help, what doesn't help is being weird about it.
 
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The problem with "helping" them, as I see it, is LIABILITY. You telling someone how to gain access to a system they are not legally allowed to access may very well make YOU liable. This is why I say not to do it. MY freedom is not worth YOUR fun.
 

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The problem with "helping" them, as I see it, is LIABILITY. You telling someone how to gain access to a system they are not legally allowed to access may very well make YOU liable. This is why I say not to do it. MY freedom is not worth YOUR fun.
Ok so STOP giving advice (incorrect advice at that) to people and you won't have to worry about it
 

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Mess with a public safety trunked system and you run the risk of accidentally (or even intentionally) interfering with communications under situations which can involve safety of life for first responders and others. It'd be just great (sarcasm) if you were to accidentally disrupt communications in an active fire scene with firemen in a burning building undergoing collapse. Imagine if it was YOUR transmission that kept them from reaching safety and dying because of it.
Well my first issue with that hyperbolic scenario is that they're operating on a trunked talkgroup for interior ops, which is asking for trouble from the start. My second issue is that gravity is faster than anyone can respond to a radio transmission, so if the building is already in the process of collapsing it's probably too late to call for help if you're trapped within the structure.

While I'm certainly not advocating for noobs to buy some POS radio off eBay and start tinkering with trunking programming, I also am not a fan of the exaggerating-for-effect examples that some like to pepper their "BEWARE!" posts with. In actual fact, comms are much more likely to get fouled up by legitimate subscribers on a system who have lousy radio habits or etiquette. You know the types, grabbing the mic and keying up without first listening, keying up immediately after another transmission because what they have to say is more important (it's probably not), etc. Yes, a hijacked SID can produce a bonk for a real subscriber, but it's normally only momentary and the radio will quickly re-affiliate and get a talk permit tone on the next attempt. Oh and if things are truly that dire, hitting the emergency button will provide at least some level of preemption if the system and subscribers are setup properly.

So yeah, it's obviously no bueno if some clueless guy starts mucking about with things he has no business with, but it's also exceedingly rare that they're going to cause much of a real world issue that would put lives at direct risk, plain and simple.
 

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The problem with "helping" them, as I see it, is LIABILITY. You telling someone how to gain access to a system they are not legally allowed to access may very well make YOU liable. This is why I say not to do it. MY freedom is not worth YOUR fun.
I'm being serious here, not sarcastic...well okay a little sarcastic because that's my first language. Who died and crowned you King of NAS? Because you're the self-proclaimed "inventor" of NAS, or at least the one who claims to have first published the method? So in fact you're the one to blame in some respect, no? You (supposedly) let the genie out of the bottle, and you think you can put it back in all these years later by posting diatribes on a hobbyist website whenever someone makes a post about NAS? As evidenced by a few of your recent posts, you don't even fully understand NAS anymore, so you're probably not the guy qualified to give out any advice about it, good or bad.

Frankly, I think you need to take a step back and stop posting for a while. Certainly when it comes to these NAS topics. You are entirely too worked up over something that a) doesn't really affect you (seriously, it doesn't) and b) is a system admin problem, of which you are not one.
 

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I'm being serious here, not sarcastic...well okay a little sarcastic because that's my first language. Who died and crowned you King of NAS? Because you're the self-proclaimed "inventor" of NAS, or at least the one who claims to have first published the method? So in fact you're the one to blame in some respect, no? You (supposedly) let the genie out of the bottle, and you think you can put it back in all these years later by posting diatribes on a hobbyist website whenever someone makes a post about NAS? As evidenced by a few of your recent posts, you don't even fully understand NAS anymore, so you're probably not the guy qualified to give out any advice about it, good or bad.

Frankly, I think you need to take a step back and stop posting for a while. Certainly when it comes to these NAS topics. You are entirely too worked up over something that a) doesn't really affect you (seriously, it doesn't) and b) is a system admin problem, of which you are not one.
For someone that is "NOT YOUR TECH SUPPORT" he likes to give tech support like advice a lot....
 

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For someone that is "NOT YOUR TECH SUPPORT" he likes to give tech support like advice a lot....
Ironic, huh? All that stuff in his profile comes across as nothing more than attention seeking. Hey look at me I'm important! Anyway, this thread is a dumpster fire, I'm out. ✌
 

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I'm not worked up about it all. It's my opinion and I don't think about it until the question is in front of me, and after I hit the reply button I will go do something else and literally won't think about it again until I revisit this or a similar thread. 5 minutes or 5 years from now, I don't think about it when I'm not here.

Nobody's "king" of NAS, anybody with some intelligence and familiarity with the CPS could have figured it out and would have done so if I or somebody else hadn't done it first. Maybe I did figure it out first. Nobody told me about it. It doesn't matter WHO or WHEN. I might care if it was worth a penny. It's not. But, since apparently my own misconceptions have been cleared up, regarding some very specific errors I had in my head, I might argue that I'm as qualified to offer my opinion on whether or not a person SHOULD do this as is ANYBODY ELSE.

I will continue to stand by my basic position: It's not worth the risks involved. I recommend NOT doing it. If you want to listen in, get a scanner, get a Unication, at least do it with a Harris radio. If you're so determined to do it anyway with a Moto radio, at least take the time to read the instructions until you fully understand how to do it safely.

And I don't have any inclination to directly support such an endeavour. Those days ar long past. Because things are different today.
 

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On what planet is "telling you not to do it? qualified as "Tech support"? I've done tech suppport for real, and that's just not it.

You're so eager to slam me that you'll just make stuff up in order to try to justify it. That's pretty laughable.

"All the stuff in my profile" is a direct reaction to having received MANY requests for help that I am no longer able or willing to give, requests that caused me to put up those fences. For basically that same reason I ONLY use this handle on this forum today. And I would not be opposed to retiring it here.
 

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It won't take too many more instances of someone making the news for interfering with a radio system from just this sort of shenanigans with a radio and programming software obtained off ebay, for me to start fully supporting all measures to encrypt public safety systems and also migrate to full usage of radio authentication.
Oh no. When you start supporting encryption and authentication, what will happen to the radio world? 😳
 

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Dear OP do not try to mislead us we know better. If you are upfront with us you will get more help. If you keep trying to mislead us it only proves to us that we were correct. The advice that you were given was to let you know the risk that you are embarking on.
What you want to do can be done it is not for beginners and you are safer learning with a scanner for now. You post here still continue to tell everybody you are in way over your head and are walking a very fine line.
Brother you know what you can keep try to call someone out that’s not me but I already have a radio with talk groups programes for a while on my apx and I’m just coming here to ask a simple question and you go all out on me that I’m someone else. Seriously like what the hell. Just grow up and go to a different forum. You don’t got to be the king of all things and make everyone feel stupid!
 
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