Bayonne FD ONLY going E

[K2NEC]

This hobby is becoming totally extinct, for so many......

Theres still plenty to listen to around here....

 

[APX8000]

This hobby is becoming totally extinct, for so many.....

Take a look at NJICS and tell me how the hobby is becoming totally extinct. So, here it comes...

 

[rr60]

😂. On a more global thought. Consider diverting energy to things one can influence. Just my 02.

 

[richee2000]

Take a look at NJICS and tell me how the hobby is becoming totally extinct. So, here it comes...View attachment 132697

I said "for so many". And that's a fact.

 

[APX8000]

I get trigger happy. Why shoot once when the opportunity to empty the magazine presents itself ?

 

[richee2000]

Nothing new here. Nothing to see.... SSDD 🤡

 

[richee2000]

I think a more accurate description would be "triggered". 🤓

 

[FireMarshalRob]

Why on earth would an FD operate on a trunked radio system, let alone a digital trunk system, let alone encrypted. Stupid people doing stupid things. I guess they won't people happy until someone gets hurt or killed? Hey, someone should keep an eye out to make sure they don't apply for any federal comms grants?

 

[APX8000]

Why on earth would an FD operate on a trunked radio system, let alone a digital trunk system, let alone encrypted. Stupid people doing stupid things. I guess they won't people happy until someone gets hurt or killed? Hey, someone should keep an eye out to make sure they don't apply for any federal comms grants?

1). What is wrong with an FD operating on a digital trunked system ? Is the same true for Police ? What is the difference ? How will it get someone hurt or killed. Please explain.

2). Are you aware that their fireground is analog unencrypted ?

3). You think they are going to get denied Federal comms grants for being encrypted ? Please also explain.

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[cureforstupid]

Why on earth would an FD operate on a trunked radio system, let alone a digital trunk system, let alone encrypted. Stupid people doing stupid things. I guess they won't people happy until someone gets hurt or killed? Hey, someone should keep an eye out to make sure they don't apply for any federal comms grants?

Why not? What does encryption have to do with in-building coverage? What does operating on a TRS change for the firefighter? Don’t radios now have adaptive audio enhancements for background noise? Transmit time out timers for open mics, and I even think they have priority levels to allow talking over a subscriber holding through TG for emergency traffic that is built in to the system if it’s configured correctly.

Oh, and as long as the communications equipment is safecom compliant, you can encrypt. Just because dispatch is encrypted, there is the ability to have non-encrypted information on the radio, like in the same zone!

I also heard (like last Thursday?) that all mutual aid companies on response lists for Bayonne now have their channels. Gee-maybe to facilitate mutual aid coverage and response natively and effectively?

Man, if we only have a set of channels and a book to reference for national interoperability… like-a National Interoperability Field Operations Guide. Someone should make that. If there was a NJ version of this-I would fall out of my chair!

Too many people have opinions about technological enhancements that have assisted and made limitless first responders safer now, and instead allow history to drive their thought process towards a 1996 union argument “Trunking is Bad!”

Agencies are encrypting because families are being notified on social media of their loved ones being LODD from irresponsible scanner users. Criminals use scanner apps, and that is widely documented. Not everyone is a happy scanner user on RR enjoying the hobby for what it is, there is a nefarious component that is the reason the landscape is changing in a reactive format. Forget the first responders, how much information about other humans beings do you hear? Social security numbers, # of violations, criminal history, medical history… all things of yours you wouldn’t want thrown around the internet. And if you’re ok with that with no qualms, put $1,000 cash in an envelope and mail it to yourself…

Scanning is a great hobby, it has been fun for decades to most of us-but at some point operational or managerial prerogatives have to come into play. It is sad, a sign of the times, and ultimately a fruitless argument here.

 

[FireMarshalRob]

1). What is wrong with an FD operating on a digital trunked system ? Is the same true for Police ? What is the difference ? How will it get someone hurt or killed. Please explain.

2). Are you aware that their fireground is analog unencrypted ?

3). You think they are going to get denied Federal comms grants for being encrypted ? Please also explain.

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I believe I read somewhere they were running adp? I have not confirmed that however.

Excellent on the analog fire ground, however how many departments that you know never leave thier repeater from start to finish on incidents.... the answer is alot. Doesn't make it correct, but that's how it goes.

And finally, why not digital, why not trunked. A **** ton of reasons. Poor intelligibility with digital audio, reliance on a complicated radio system to work reliably during adverse conditions, digital artifacts in close quarters situations, just to name a few. Someone can easily get hurt when messages are garbled or unintelligible due to digital vocoding.

I listen and work on the garbage all day long. Yes, some noise canceling tech works for certain situations but that comes at a cost. Doesn't change the fact it sounds horrid and users are constantly asking other users to repeat messages and they are unintelligible.

 

[Radiofan1982]

Why not? What does encryption have to do with in-building coverage? What does operating on a TRS change for the firefighter? Don’t radios now have adaptive audio enhancements for background noise? Transmit time out timers for open mics, and I even think they have priority levels to allow talking over a subscriber holding through TG for emergency traffic that is built in to the system if it’s configured correctly.

Oh, and as long as the communications equipment is safecom compliant, you can encrypt. Just because dispatch is encrypted, there is the ability to have non-encrypted information on the radio, like in the same zone!

I also heard (like last Thursday?) that all mutual aid companies on response lists for Bayonne now have their channels. Gee-maybe to facilitate mutual aid coverage and response natively and effectively?

Man, if we only have a set of channels and a book to reference for national interoperability… like-a National Interoperability Field Operations Guide. Someone should make that. If there was a NJ version of this-I would fall out of my chair!

Too many people have opinions about technological enhancements that have assisted and made limitless first responders safer now, and instead allow history to drive their thought process towards a 1996 union argument “Trunking is Bad!”

Agencies are encrypting because families are being notified on social media of their loved ones being LODD from irresponsible scanner users. Criminals use scanner apps, and that is widely documented. Not everyone is a happy scanner user on RR enjoying the hobby for what it is, there is a nefarious component that is the reason the landscape is changing in a reactive format. Forget the first responders, how much information about other humans beings do you hear? Social security numbers, # of violations, criminal history, medical history… all things of yours you wouldn’t want thrown around the internet. And if you’re ok with that with no qualms, put $1,000 cash in an envelope and mail it to yourself…

Scanning is a great hobby, it has been fun for decades to most of us-but at some point operational or managerial prerogatives have to come into play. It is sad, a sign of the times, and ultimately a fruitless argument here.

Yes To get down to the facts if you want to blame anyone.Blame the People that fail to understand the meaning of Keep what you here to your self.When you have groups on social media like Facebook and twitter posting the information for the entire world to here.Well you're giving even more reason for them to use Encryption sadly it's the bad poor decision maker ones that has ruined it of sorts at least in part.It not the Local scanner users that are the problem its the nosy folks posting it to the world that are the problem in truth.Another hard truth is I bet if you told half of the state or town about scanners they would not understand or even care Like it or not the scanner Hobby is a small focus of the communty at hand.Most people are more concern about looking and playing with there Phones these days then they are having a radio scanner.

 

[K2NEC]

Again, whether it's ADP or AES, what does it have to do with operating on a TRS?

Most of the time departments will have the radios automatically on the fireground channel for the simple fact that an interior firefighter should never need to talk to dispatch. Interior relays to command, command relays to dispatch. Any ICS course will tell you that. Use the truck radio to announce on scene/size up/etc.

A radio only sounds as good as the user. If someone speaks clearly into the front of the mic like they are supposed to, it sounds 100x better than analog.

 

[KevinC]

Again, whether it's ADP or AES, what does it have to do with operating on a TRS?

Most of the time departments will have the radios automatically on the fireground channel for the simple fact that an interior firefighter should never need to talk to dispatch. Interior relays to command, command relays to dispatch. Any ICS course will tell you that. Use the truck radio to announce on scene/size up/etc.

A radio only sounds as good as the user. If someone speaks clearly into the front of the mic like they are supposed to, it sounds 100x better than analog.

No, no, no. Digital sucks! Haven’t you read all the complaints on RR about how bad it sounds on peoples scanners? If it’s bad on a scanner it must be bad.

 

[FireMarshalRob]

Again, whether it's ADP or AES, what does it have to do with operating on a TRS?

Most of the time departments will have the radios automatically on the fireground channel for the simple fact that an interior firefighter should never need to talk to dispatch. Interior relays to command, command relays to dispatch. Any ICS course will tell you that. Use the truck radio to announce on scene/size up/etc.

A radio only sounds as good as the user. If someone speaks clearly into the front of the mic like they are supposed to, it sounds 100x better than analog.

I was responding to the question of funding and encryption. Federal funds are not eligible for certain types of encryption, adp being one I believe.

It's a tall order to have other surrounding depts go out and upgrade or purchase beware gear to support aes enc.

The enc now has very little degradation on audio quality. That wasn't always like that with des, des xl, des ofb and other variants of similar age.

 

[rr60]

Authorizing the purchase of 44 handheld radios and associated equipment for the Fire Department from A.E.R. CONSULTING SERVICES, LLC in the amount of $307,134.83 under the U.S. Communities Homeland Security and Public Safety Contract #4400008468. Fire



CR-14 Authorizing the purchase of 200 APX6000 PORTABLE RADIOS with accessories in the amount of $690,113.00 for the Police Department from MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS, Woodcliff Lake, NJ under State Contract #83909. Police

 

[n2nov]

Your hard earned tax dollars at work. SMH

 

[FireMarshalRob]

Authorizing the purchase of 44 handheld radios and associated equipment for the Fire Department from A.E.R. CONSULTING SERVICES, LLC in the amount of $307,134.83 under the U.S. Communities Homeland Security and Public Safety Contract #4400008468. Fire



CR-14 Authorizing the purchase of 200 APX6000 PORTABLE RADIOS with accessories in the amount of $690,113.00 for the Police Department from MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS, Woodcliff Lake, NJ under State Contract #83909. Police

Over a million dollars for junk... yikes

 

[GTR8000]

Anyway....received the following in a submission. This conflicts with previously submitted info, so before I go changing anything, I'm going to post it here for hashing out/arguing over. If no one can show anything to the contrary, I'll make these changes.

Fire/EMS
2001 Fire 1 Dispatch
2002 Fire 2
2003 Fire 3
2004 DOES NOT EXIST
2005 DOES NOT EXIST
2006 Fire 6
2007 Fire 7
2008 Fire 8
666 Does not exist, was temporary TG used for coordination, officially removed from system

Common/Shared
126 City Talk DOES NOT EXIST

City Services
502 MUA (Water Department) DOES NOT EXIST
802 Meals on Wheels DOES NOT EXIST

 

[rr60]

I would say roll with it. I do not see Fire 2004, 2005 either.

The old TG’s 126, 502, 802 no hits.

New 666 could be, I suspect you have good Intel. Not registering on UT now.
The 666 RID’s were on many TG’s early in week. Now silent.