BCD325P2/BCD996P2: BCD996P2 Trunk System Programming Help

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Hello, have a new BCD996P2 and have been able to create conventional system with two channels using freescan and able to receive transmissions.
However, we are trying to create a new Trunk system and have inputted the data but am unable to receive the programmed talk group of 701. We have a 14-channel (one control) phase 1 Motorola system and only need to receive one talk group. We will be going to phase II simulcast Motorola P25 trunk system in a year or so. Not sure if i should select phase 1 or 2,,, both should be compatible to TDMA and FDMA right?

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Not sure if i should select phase 1 or 2,,, both should be compatible to TDMA and FDMA right?
Can't say for sure since you didn't provide the RRDB link to the system in question. However regarding talkgroup mode:
Mode D = FDMA
Mode T = TDMA

If you're seeing primarily mode T talkgroups then the system can only be Phase-II. Mode D can exist in either Phase-I or Phase-II. Consult the RRDB to determine what type any given system is

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Hello, have a new BCD996P2 and have been able to create conventional system with two channels using freescan and able to receive transmissions.
However, we are trying to create a new Trunk system and have inputted the data but am unable to receive the programmed talk group of 701. We have a 14-channel (one control) phase 1 Motorola system and only need to receive one talk group. We will be going to phase II simulcast Motorola P25 trunk system in a year or so. Not sure if i should select phase 1 or 2,,, both should be compatible to TDMA and FDMA right?

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The system type that you should set in FreeSCAN is “Digital XT. That’s the correct type, for the P2 scanners for both P25 Phase I as well as P25 Phase II. Other than any changes to the control channels (like changing to a different frequency or deleting a frequency), no other change to the site would be needed when the system upgrades from Phase I to Phase II.
 

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The system type that you should set in FreeSCAN is “Digital XT. That’s the correct type, for the P2 scanners for both P25 Phase I as well as P25 Phase II. Other than any changes to the control channels (like changing to a different frequency or deleting a frequency), no other change to the site would be needed when the system upgrades from Phase I to Phase II.
Hello sorry for not knowing too much aboour programming kinda new at scanners. I was able to import the talkgoups from RR database, however i only needed one LOB FD-701 so others were deleted. I noticed you mentioned control channel, is there place in the freescan program to tag a frequency to be a control channel? Thank you again.
 

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not sure if this helps,,,, the system has 14 FDMA channels and has a primary and 3 secondaries control channels (not used unless primary goes down). I have deleted all but the primary control channel but still unable to receive the talk group transmission. In addition, i noticed when monitoring the control channel in Hold mode the scanner appears to be squelched as there is no control channel data, I did notice the scanner does have 5 receive signal strength bars.
 

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What system are you trying to set up? Provide a link to it in the RR database.

1) Motorola type I is not the same as P25 phase 1
2) very doubtful you have a Motorola type I system
When imported via FreeSCAN, FreeSCAN is not using the correct system type.
As imported:
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The MOT2 prefix before the system name is how it would treat it.

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The Mot Type II/P25 would be the system type that would have worked in the "T" series scanners, 396T & 996T.
FreeSCAN does not give you the Digital XT system type when viewing the imported site settings. You only see the choices below.
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Go back to the initial System screen.
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There, you can change it to the Digital XT setting.

Once you make the change at the system level, then the site can be corrected to the Digital XT setting.
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Note that the system prefix changed from (MOT2) to (P25S).
 

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Hello sorry for not knowing too much aboour programming kinda new at scanners. I was able to import the talkgoups from RR database, however i only needed one LOB FD-701 so others were deleted. I noticed you mentioned control channel, is there place in the freescan program to tag a frequency to be a control channel? Thank you again.
There is no setting that has to be chosen to designate a control channel frequency. The scanner will check the frequencies entered, looking for the control channel data stream.
 

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not sure if this helps,,,, the system has 14 FDMA channels and has a primary and 3 secondaries control channels (not used unless primary goes down). I have deleted all but the primary control channel but still unable to receive the talk group transmission. In addition, i noticed when monitoring the control channel in Hold mode the scanner appears to be squelched as there is no control channel data, I did notice the scanner does have 5 receive signal strength bars.
Always leave the 'primary' control channel, as well as the alternates as designated on the system's database page.
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The frequencies that are colored red, and have a small letter 'c' beside them are the control channels. All of the tagged frequencies should be including when creating the system. Some systems retain the same control channel frequency, unless it is not working. Others change among the designated control channel frequencies on a regular basis.

For L3-Harris systems, any frequency might be used as a control channel, and they often rotate among the site's frequencies. In that case (a Harris system) all of the site's frequencies should be programmed.
 

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Hello sorry for not knowing too much aboour programming kinda new at scanners. I was able to import the talkgoups from RR database, however i only needed one LOB FD-701 so others were deleted. I noticed you mentioned control channel, is there place in the freescan program to tag a frequency to be a control channel? Thank you again.
Have you looked at the Easier to Read BCD996P2/XT Digital Scanner Manual for your scanner? This is a much more concise and far easier to understand manual than the original one from the manufacturer! It also makes an excellent reference when you need to look things up!

That said, the BCD996P2 is a great scanner to own as long as you don’t have to deal with simulcast distortion, but it’s also a quantum leap from basic analog scanners regarding functionality. It’s not very “beginner friendly” as it comes as a blank slate, and has a plethora of features that you will need to learn and understand. Fortunately, I personally feel that none of those features are particularly difficult, but there’s just a lot of new concepts to grasp. This could actually be a very good thing because it’ll give you a strong foundation in digital scanning! The handheld version of your scanner, the BCD325P2, was my own gateway into digital scanning after only ever owning basic analog scanners in the past. The digital factor was different and so I had to understand trunking and digital scanning overall to get what I paid for.

Now, you’ll definitely have to checkout the easier to read manual that I recommended above, but it sounds like you just need to understand some basic logical grouping for how trunking systems work. This will help you all around going forward! Here’s how I’d best break it down for your scanner, but I welcome anyone else to chime-in and offer advice. You need to understand four levels:

System — This is where it all begins for a particular system that could be owned by a county, city, university, or whatever. Just look at it as the “header” for a particular “wireless network” and everything else falls under it. I’ll give you an example in my case, my county has an EDACS system, so that would be a “system,” so I may call it something like “HC EDACS” for “Hillsborough County EDACS” as space is limited. I also have a system calked “HC P25” and “HC Federal,” you get the idea!

Site(s) — These are logical sites as they generally contain a group of towers that are clustered together logically. So, in my case, Tampa has both “East” and “West” sites where each one covers a certain area using the towers grouped within it. So, to keep it simple, the west side of the city may be called something like “HC P25 West” and the east side “HC P25 East.” Next, those towers have frequencies assigned to them, so whatever towers in the east will need to be associated with the east side of the city, and those towers in the west will need to be associated with the west side. You generally will need to enter two kinds of frequencies, the control channels as well as non-control channels. In most cases, like with a P25 system, you’ll actually only need to enter the control channels and they will “program” the remaining information for you! You’ll see an option in sites for a “Band Plan” when using P25, however the vast majority of the time you won’t even have to touch this as the control channels will populate it for you upon first use! I’m hoping you’re with me because this was probably the hardest part to digest, so if you’re getting it, you are starting to grasp digital trunking!

Group(s) — These fall under the system, but are not specific to any sites. They will basically allow you to organize the structure of the system. So, the county may have a handful of police and fire departments, each one will get a group assigned to it. You may need to add a group for the Sheriff’s Department or Public Works or whatever! So, I have my county sheriff as a group called “HCSO” and my local police department is “TTPD.” Likewise, my local fire department has a group named “TTFD.” And, there are other police departments in the county on the same system, I have groups for them too, so Tampa PD is just that “Tampa PD,” and so on.

Channel(s) — Each group will have one or more channels associated with it, and these are usually entered into a digital system by talk group codes that are unique to each channel. Unlike analog scanners, the frequencies are only associated with sites because the whole point of trunking is to get a lot more traffic onto the same small number of dedicated frequencies! So, when communication goes through the system, the control channel directs everything subsequent to it which is invisible to you. There’s digital data that tells the system who is speaking and who they need to speak to, but that’s invisible to the end user. All they know is that they push a button and it works! Having these codes for each channel could allow 1,000+ departments or units to all share the same 5, 10, or whatever physical connections or frequencies! So, as an example, let’s just say that a group named “Tampa FD” could have channels under it named “TFD Dispatch,” “TFD Admin,” “TFD EMS,” “TFD Hazmat,” “TFD Training,” etc. On the police side, the “Police Records” division even had their own channel! Channels simply group divisions or departments under groups in a way that will allow for many more users to use the same number of frequencies!

I know this is a lot, but if you understand this basic structure, you could apply it to the different types of digital systems on your scanner! The different systems may have slight differences as far as your scanner is concerned, but it’s all roughly the same structure when it cones to digital trunking! Hopefully, this is a good primer for you moving forward!
 

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I've used Freescan to program my scanners, as well as Butel, works great on my 996T and XT.
However, it doesn't seems it doesn't want to communicate with my 325P2. Perhaps, since Freescan
is longer being supported with updates the scanner and software may no longer "speak the same language".
You might want to consider trying another software such as Butel or Pro-Scan (which I haven't used but have
seen positive comments about)
.
 

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Here is the best part.
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With great in forum support in the long run that was a $250 savings to me.
 
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