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OK, another "best" question.
But it shouldn't be too hard.
I'm on a limited budget. I can go $100, but it's got to work good.
(no room for experimentation)

What is the favorite "all band" omni?
I need it for everything from 33mhz up to 900 mhz.
I'll be installing it 20' above the roof and using LMR-400.

Which one works the best? All opinions welcome.

Thanks,

Mike
 

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Diamond or Scantenna?

Another way I might ask this;

Which antenna do you like better, the Diamond discone or the Scantenna?
 

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baybum said:
Another way I might ask this;

Which antenna do you like better, the Diamond discone or the Scantenna?

I would say without a doubt, considering you want to go as low as 33MHz, the ScanTenna would be your best bet!
 

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Thanks. How well does it work for you in the other bands?


Mike

I personally do not have one, yet. My friend has one, and we've been doing a lot of testing. It's excellent at VHF/Lo, VHF/Hi, and the 450MHz UHF band. This makes it super for MilAir. Not the best for 850MHz, but it does the job!
 

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Diamond or Scantenna?

This is helpful, thanks.
How far away would you say the furtheest 800 trunk system is that he can receive?

Anybody with a Diamond out there?

I appreciate anyone's verified experiences.


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Re: Diamond or Scantenna?

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Also, is the Diamond dead on 33mhz?

The Diamond is not dead on 33MHz, but it's far from being optimized for it. I had the Icom version of the Diamond (same but with "N" connector), and it was "ok" at 49MHz. So I would expect it would perform even less at 33MHz. 33MHz is approaching the shorwave bands.
 

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The Scantenna is a cut down version of the old Channel Master 5094-A The low band elements on the scantenna are shorter. You can add length to the bottom element easier than the top one. The scanntenna is a little short in the 800 dept. One idea is to add a gain 800 yagi or simular with a splitter at the top of the antenna and use one coax line.
 

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baybum said:
OK, another "best" question.
But it shouldn't be too hard.
I'm on a limited budget. I can go $100, but it's got to work good.
(no room for experimentation)

What is the favorite "all band" omni?
I need it for everything from 33mhz up to 900 mhz.
I'll be installing it 20' above the roof and using LMR-400.

Which one works the best? All opinions welcome.
The scantenna is a parallel ground plane, but doesn't cover all bands you might want to scan. You might think of just wiring up a parallel vertical dipole for every band you want. That'll give you reception as good as the best the scantenna can do, but on more frequencies. (A ground plane is almost always better than a discone if it covers the frequency.)

As far as how far you can receive any particular frequency with any particular antenna, it depends on your antenna height, the height of the transmitting antenna, the power being transmitted, the surrounding terrain (trees? buildings? hills?) and a lot of other, not so easy to figure, parameters. Like heat shimmer along the path. (Yep - having heat rise off a patch of blacktop along the path between you and the transmitter can affect the signal at high frequencies.)
 

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Scantenna vs. Diamond

Al42, I appreciate your technical knowledge and advise but I can't get involved in all that.
My two choices are the Diamond or the Scantenna.
My 800 TRS systems are within 15-20 miles. I desire to receive VHF Hi and Lo
from 80 miles away. UHF from 15 miles away.
33mhz, 155mhz and 494mhz are at the top of my list.
800 TRS are mostly local.

Many thanks again to all. I hope I can make my decicion soon so I can put this project to bed.

Mike
 

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One of the best base scanner antennas I ever used was the Butternut SC3000. Anyone remember those? It was 11 feet long, and worked great on all bands, but there was no provision for 800 MHz. I don't think they make them anymore.
 

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Scantenna vs Diamond

I'm getting alot of good info here, thanks.
I think I've decided on the Scantenna, but I'd like to hear a little more feedback on 800.
Those of you who use this antenna, how far are your 800 TRS systems?
What should I expect on that band as far as range?

Thanks

Mike
 
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baybum said:
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What should I expect on that band as far as range?

Thanks

Mike

Where are you?
What is your ground elevation?
What height will the antenna be at?
What is the elevation of the 800 MHz site?
What is it's tower height?
What is it's ERP?
Is there any excessive local noise?
What is between you and the 800 MHz system tower?
How many feet of cable will you be using?
What type of cable is it?
What is the sensitivity of your receiver?

Now, all that and a few hundred $ of engineering will get you a mean signal level and reliability. THAT will tell you what kind of range you can expect!

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Scantenna vs Diamond

Just looking for a "ballpark" here. Specifically in comparison with the Diamond.
My first post indicates the antenna will be 20' above the roof of the house and I'm using LMR-400.
I'm also asking current Scantenna users how far their 800 TRS systems are.

General opinions and impressions from people actually using these two antennas is all I'm looking for here.

Mike
 

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Mike, here's the deal...
Asking the question of which is best of the two choices you've made, you're going to have the inherent conflict of people using one or the other. Each group will swear by the results of their choice. Perhaps the only useful replies will be by someone that has both installed and has the ability to do side-by-side comparisons on signals within their reach. When I went from an indoor antenna to a Diamond Discone and the world suddenly opened up, I'll tell you that's a great antenna choice. So will the guy under the same circumstances that installed the Scantenna.

Nathan (Dispatcher 308) on our home board co-phased a pair of Scantennas and swears by them. He did that because he found (and I've heard many others state) the Scantenna tends to be a bit directional. So he has one facing north/south and the other east/west. Who knows if that's a good idea or bad? He'll tell you it's fantastic.

You've heard what I can do with my discone but the same antenna on your roof may not do as well. The fact that I regularly hear out to 100 miles on VHF doesn't mean a thing when it's plunked down in your location, even though we're fairly near each other. I understand why you can't take into consideration all the technical antenna knowledge that's out there. It's too simple a problem to put yourself though that song and dance routine when you're not schooled in that discipline nor inclined to spend the next six months studying the problem.

You have 100 bucks to spend. Well, $130 will get you both the Diamond Discone and the Scantenna. Hell, throw both of them in the air. Keep the one that works the best, put the other in the For Sale thread, get half your money back. You'll then have tried both for under your $100 limit. Most importantly, it will answer your basic question of which is best for your listening interests and works best in your specific location. Occam's Razor (the best solution is most often the more simple of the choices.)

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P.S. It's 13:40, middle of the day, and I'm currently listening to FDNY Brooklyn borough on 154.37 [PL186.2] so that makes the Diamond Discone a fantastic antenna choice, no? No, because I don't know if the Scantenna would be receiving it even better.

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Thanks Alan. Your points are well taken.

Does anyone know the length of the LOWER vertical section?
I will be mounting this above a TV antenna.

Specs say the overall length is 101" but I can't find anything saying what the lower section is.

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baybum said:
Thanks Alan. Your points are well taken.

Does anyone know the length of the LOWER vertical section?
I will be mounting this above a TV antenna.

Specs say the overall length is 101" but I can't find anything saying what the lower section is.

Mike

You might be disapointed with the result of doing that. Not on the scanner, but the TV. Having another antenna in close proximity to a TV antenna often results in ghost images on your TV's picture.
 
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