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I recently had another birthday they seem to happen at a faster pace these days. My wife purchased me a new scanner SDS200 that has been on my list for awhile. I have it setup but it seems i am not hearing much on the Anderson County SC P800 system. I think i may have missed the boat and they have encrypted much of the communications for LE. If anyone has any input or maybe i am missing something all help is appreciated.

If my local Law enforcement is encrypted what other services are available to listen to in the upstate of South Carolina? I have fighter jets and Military aircraft that fly over often from the Donaldson Center in Piedmont SC i assume. Any tips on how to listen to their traffic?
 

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Looking at the database, it looks like Anderson Co SO is encrypted, but Belton/Anderson PD is not, nor is fire. Make sure you have the correct towers programmed in (shown below) and have the TAGS active in the programming.

1 (1)062 (3E)Anderson County SimulcastAnderson851.1625851.2125851.5375851.550852.075852.2125852.575c
852.600c852.6875852.9625c853.1625c
 

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If my local Law enforcement is encrypted what other services are available to listen to in the upstate of South Carolina?
Regarding what's been documented in the RRDB, focus on the "Mode" column. For conventional channels: AM FM, FMN, P25, DMR & NXDN (the latter 2 require paid upgrades to monitor on an SDS200) are monitorable. Anytime you see an uppercase "E" as a suffix on any of the digital modes (as with P25E, DMRE or NXDNE) this would denote full encryption. A lowercase "e" as a suffix would indicate partial encryption (sometimes clear, sometimes not) With trunked radio systems, modes "A" "D", (less commonly "M") and "T" will be monitorable to you. Full encryption would be denoted as "DE" or "TE" and partial encryption "De" or "Te". Hope this helps & welcome to the RR forums!

I have fighter jets and Military aircraft that fly over often from the Donaldson Center in Piedmont SC i assume. Any tips on how to listen to their traffic?
 
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Looking at the database, it looks like Anderson Co SO is encrypted, but Belton/Anderson PD is not, nor is fire. Make sure you have the correct towers programmed in (shown below) and have the TAGS active in the programming.

1 (1)062 (3E)Anderson County SimulcastAnderson851.1625851.2125851.5375851.550852.075852.2125852.575c
852.600c852.6875852.9625c853.1625c
Thank you for the reply. Now i need to research "TAGS" and educate myself with this stuff.
 

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Regarding what's been documented in the RRDB, focus on the "Mode" column. For conventional channels: AM FM, FMN, P25, DMR & NXDN (the latter 2 require paid upgrades to monitor on an SDS200) are monitorable. Anytime you see an uppercase "E" as a suffix on any of the digital modes (as with P25E, DMRE or NXDNE) this would denote full encryption. A lowercase "e" as a suffix would indicate partial encryption (sometimes clear, sometimes not) With trunked radio systems, modes "A" "D", (less commonly "M") and "T" will be monitorable to you. Full encryption would be denoted as "DE" or "TE" and partial encryption "De" or "Te". Hope this helps & welcome to the RR forums!


Thank you for the information. I have been around a good while but never had a reason to comment until now :) I will read through your link and be sure to try some new searches.
 

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For conventional channels: AM FM, FMN, P25, DMR & NXDN (the latter 2 require paid upgrades to monitor on an SDS200) are monitorable.
The first this i did when i took it out of the box was purchase and upgrade. NXDN, DMR, and Waterfall. You know a HAM needs more waterfalls.
 

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Remember that the database is crowd-sourced, meaning it depends on hobbyists and listeners to submit updates to keep it accurate and complete. It's certainly possible that all LE communications in Anderson County are encrypted and it just hasn't been noted in the database yet. I'd be a little surprised if the muni PDs encrypted, but it's certainly possible.

One minor downside to Uniden scanners is that they completely skip over encrypted radio traffic. So you'll never know for sure if it's encryption or not, you just won't hear (or see) the transmissions.

Since Fire, EMS, SCHP and other agencies are not encrypted, you should be hearing those regularly. If you're not, then you may have a programming issue, or a reception issue.

Service types (aka "TAGS" that someone else referenced) also need to be enabled for the services you're interested in hearing. If you only have Law Enforcement tags enabled, then it stands to reason why your scanner might seem quiet. By default, consider enabling all service types until you're sure you're successfully monitoring the Palmetto 800 trunked system, then disable the service types for those that you aren't interested in.

Consider adjacent counties. Depending on which "side" of Anderson County you live on, you can hear a lot of activity in Greenville County on the Palmetto 800 system. Laurens County also uses Palmetto 800. If that's of interest, you'll want to program (and be able to receive) the sites in those counties. The Anderson site might carry some traffic from those counties some of the time, but not all channels and not likely all of the time.

With the NXDN license, you'll be able to monitor the Fleettalk system which is now used by Pickens County public safety agencies. And so far, there's not a lot of encryption for them. I think it's also used by Abbeville County (someone correct me if I'm wrong) but it looks like their primary LE channels are encrypted. With the DMR license, you might be able to monitor activity in Oconee County. I see Oconee Co EMS is now on Fleettalk but is encrypted. I'm sure there are plenty of other things to monitor public-safety wise, but you may need to invest in a better antenna system.

The fighter jet testing out of Donaldson is something that interests me also. Maybe someone else can help explain how to listen to them. I don't think Donaldson has an active tower, so flights from there might talk with GSP airport TRACON on their frequencies. I'm not sure how high they typically get, but maybe they also talk to Atlanta Center on the Owing sector frequency, maybe others? I would guess that they have some "internal" channels, but I'm not sure how one might go about finding those other than dedicated searching. License WQQK529 might hold some clues.
 

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Remember that the database is crowd-sourced, meaning it depends on hobbyists and listeners to submit updates to keep it accurate and complete. It's certainly possible that all LE communications in Anderson County are encrypted and it just hasn't been noted in the database yet. I'd be a little surprised if the muni PDs encrypted, but it's certainly possible.

One minor downside to Uniden scanners is that they completely skip over encrypted radio traffic. So you'll never know for sure if it's encryption or not, you just won't hear (or see) the transmissions.

Since Fire, EMS, SCHP and other agencies are not encrypted, you should be hearing those regularly. If you're not, then you may have a programming issue, or a reception issue.

Service types (aka "TAGS" that someone else referenced) also need to be enabled for the services you're interested in hearing. If you only have Law Enforcement tags enabled, then it stands to reason why your scanner might seem quiet. By default, consider enabling all service types until you're sure you're successfully monitoring the Palmetto 800 trunked system, then disable the service types for those that you aren't interested in.

Consider adjacent counties. Depending on which "side" of Anderson County you live on, you can hear a lot of activity in Greenville County on the Palmetto 800 system. Laurens County also uses Palmetto 800. If that's of interest, you'll want to program (and be able to receive) the sites in those counties. The Anderson site might carry some traffic from those counties some of the time, but not all channels and not likely all of the time.

With the NXDN license, you'll be able to monitor the Fleettalk system which is now used by Pickens County public safety agencies. And so far, there's not a lot of encryption for them. I think it's also used by Abbeville County (someone correct me if I'm wrong) but it looks like their primary LE channels are encrypted. With the DMR license, you might be able to monitor activity in Oconee County. I see Oconee Co EMS is now on Fleettalk but is encrypted. I'm sure there are plenty of other things to monitor public-safety wise, but you may need to invest in a better antenna system.

The fighter jet testing out of Donaldson is something that interests me also. Maybe someone else can help explain how to listen to them. I don't think Donaldson has an active tower, so flights from there might talk with GSP airport TRACON on their frequencies. I'm not sure how high they typically get, but maybe they also talk to Atlanta Center on the Owing sector frequency, maybe others? I would guess that they have some "internal" channels, but I'm not sure how one might go about finding those other than dedicated searching. License WQQK529 might hold some clues.
Hi Brian,
Thank you for the detailed reply. I do need a better antenna and it should arrive today (Diamond D3000N) and connectors so i can use Ham antennas via a switch to see what plays better on what bands. As of now i am using the stock telescoping antenna with poor results as expected. I have a few Yagi's that i no longer use for the armature bands i may put on the tower pointed at specific sites if needed.

I mainly want wanted to listen to the Anderson SO. That isn't possible so i have been adding SCHP and Transport police along with Small towns. I will put more time into seeing what i can hear once i get the antenna up this afternoon.
If i find anything on the Donaldson fighter jets i will update you. They fly over all the time along with chinooks, and some other military aircraft. Some days they put on a heck of a show for me :)
 

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Hi Brian,
Thank you for the detailed reply. I do need a better antenna and it should arrive today (Diamond D3000N) and connectors so i can use Ham antennas via a switch to see what plays better on what bands. As of now i am using the stock telescoping antenna with poor results as expected. I have a few Yagi's that i no longer use for the armature bands i may put on the tower pointed at specific sites if needed.

I mainly want wanted to listen to the Anderson SO. That isn't possible so i have been adding SCHP and Transport police along with Small towns. I will put more time into seeing what i can hear once i get the antenna up this afternoon.
If i find anything on the Donaldson fighter jets i will update you. They fly over all the time along with chinooks, and some other military aircraft. Some days they put on a heck of a show for me :)

Stephen,
Welcome back to the hobby! I know your area well as my Great-Grandfather was mayor of Anderson and up till recently my father had a law firm in downtown Anderson. I spent the first 9 years of life in the city and still go back to visit from time to time.
Good to see someone else from the general area here!
I believe the last time I was in the area Anderson *city* police were partially encrypted while the sheriff dept was using full time encryption. Been a little while so that may have changed.
Enjoy the radio!
Marshall KE4ZNR
 

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I received my antenna today and put it up on the side of my tower about 20' high. I have started scanning the entire Palmetto800 system with the intentions of using the History log to see what it picks up overtime. I would the create a scan group with what i want out of that log on the correct tower? If i have this right in my head i can do this for each system i want to listen to until i come up with a good list?

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That image is very small, but I think it shows that you're getting "hits" from the Anderson, Greenville and Laurens towers.

You'll have to give some thought about how you want to organize the memory in the scanner to scan what you want. I'm struggling with this process right now. You used the term "Scan group" which isn't a term that relates to the SDS-200's memory architecture. I'm tending to create a favorites list for each county, and creating a Palmetto 800 System within each of those lists. Then including the desired talkgroup groups (departments) and sites within that System. You may want to choose a different way.
 

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Over night i got many hits. If i am understanding this correctly it looks like i picked up some from the St Matthews tower and Myrtle Beach tower. That seems hard to believe on 800mhz.

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Likely, some frequencies are shared between sites in different areas of the state. There are only so many 800MH frequencies available. The scanner doesn't use site ID numbers to ensure that you're actually receiving the site that you think you are. So if it sees a control channel stream on frequency that's programmed into your scanner multiple times with different sites, it'll have a hard time picking the "correct" site.

You should remove sites from your favorites list systems that you can't or don't want to receive. Or "avoid" them. Or use location controls (if you have a compatible GPS receiver) to prevent this issue. It will also improve the performance of scanning because it's not scanning through so many sites.

You may also be receiving sites from NC VIPER. Not sure if the scanner checks to ensure the received SysID matches the SysID that's programmed or not.
 
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