Blocked and Unblocked 800 MHz Frequencies

[ECHO3]

In the US, all of our scanners have the (some/all of the) 800MHz frequencies included in the new spectrum are blocked. Similarily, many of the frequencies we currently use will have to be blocked. Does anyone know how Uniden and RS intend to address this issue? I can't conceive that firmware updates will be provided for all existing models. On the other hand, I have difficulty perceiving that all our present units will become obsolete. Any thoughts????

 

[N_Jay]

In the US, all of our scanners have the (some/all of the) 800MHz frequencies included in the new spectrum are blocked. Similarily, many of the frequencies we currently use will have to be blocked. Does anyone know how Uniden and RS intend to address this issue? I can't conceive that firmware updates will be provided for all existing models. On the other hand, I have difficulty perceiving that all our present units will become obsolete. Any thoughts????

What are you talking about.

The frequencies that are blocked are the CELLULAR portion of the band.
Nothing is changing those allocations.

The NEXTEL changes are all in the commercial/public safety bands. Nothing there ever needed to be blocked.

 

[ECHO3]

I'm referencing the NEXTEL/FCC agreement. It is my understanding that some (perhaps all) of the frequencies now used by NEXTEL (CELLULAR!!!) that are blocked on our scanners will be allocated for public service use.

 

[JnglMassiv]

If and when public safety moves to previously blocked bands, new radios (not to mention new Nextel handsets) will be required..
I don't see it happening in the near future.

 

[N_Jay]

I'm referencing the NEXTEL/FCC agreement. It is my understanding that some (perhaps all) of the frequencies now used by NEXTEL (CELLULAR!!!) that are blocked on our scanners will be allocated for public service use.

Nextel is not cellular.
Nextell does not opperate in the cellular band today.
Nextel will not be moving into the cellular band.
Nextel opperates in the commercial/public safety band.
Nextel frequencies are not blocked.

Nextel will be moving to a block in the upper end of that band.
The remaining users (mostly public safety) will be moving to the lower portion of the band.

Nothing that is blocked today will be used for other than cellular.

Nothing outside the blocked range will require blocking. (Unless the FCC changes the current rules.)

As a matter of fact, the whole rebanding issue has nothing to do with teh cellular band.

By the way, in case you missed the point. NEXTEL IS NOT CELLULAR (Rules wise).

 

[Voyager]

I'm referencing the NEXTEL/FCC agreement. It is my understanding that some (perhaps all) of the frequencies now used by NEXTEL (CELLULAR!!!) that are blocked on our scanners will be allocated for public service use.

Nextel is not cellular.
Nextell does not opperate in the cellular band today.
Nextel will not be moving into the cellular band.
Nextel opperates in the commercial/public safety band.
Nextel frequencies are not blocked.

Nextel will be moving to a block in the upper end of that band.
The remaining users (mostly public safety) will be moving to the lower portion of the band.

Nothing that is blocked today will be used for other than cellular.

Nothing outside the blocked range will require blocking. (Unless the FCC changes the current rules.)

As a matter of fact, the whole rebanding issue has nothing to do with teh cellular band.

By the way, in case you missed the point. NEXTEL IS NOT CELLULAR (Rules wise).

Well said :!:

Joe M.

 

[K5MAR]

I'm referencing the NEXTEL/FCC agreement. It is my understanding that some (perhaps all) of the frequencies now used by NEXTEL (CELLULAR!!!) that are blocked on our scanners will be allocated for public service use.

Nextel is not cellular.
Nextell does not opperate in the cellular band today.
Nextel will not be moving into the cellular band.
Nextel opperates in the commercial/public safety band.
Nextel frequencies are not blocked.

Nextel will be moving to a block in the upper end of that band.
The remaining users (mostly public safety) will be moving to the lower portion of the band.

Nothing that is blocked today will be used for other than cellular.

Nothing outside the blocked range will require blocking. (Unless the FCC changes the current rules.)

As a matter of fact, the whole rebanding issue has nothing to do with teh cellular band.

By the way, in case you missed the point. NEXTEL IS NOT CELLULAR (Rules wise).

Make a good contribution to the "Wiki". (Sorry, that name still sounds like a city in Hawaii! :lol: )

Mark S.

 

[ECHO3]

Well, excuse me. Thanks for your polite and courteous responses.

 

[nmfire10]

Well, your the one who continued to insist NexTel was cellular and this whole thing would somehow be a huge problem. Listen next time and maybe you won't be slapped like that.

 

[loumaag]

N_Jay:

I agree with others. That information, in a clear and concise manner needs to be added to the Wiki. I can see (unless your using a new name) that you haven't registered yet, so why don't you register and put it up there.

 

[Chris-M]

Good gawd almighty...

You guys need to CHILL. Echo was asking a legitimate question that I'll admit even I felt was a good question.

It's this kind of '***** slapping' that happens all too often on this (and basically every other forum on the internet) that makes me want to leave and never come back, or just become a 'lurker'. And I'll bet a few already have.

Not all of us here are "radio techs" for a living, or Electrical Engineers, NASA / rocket scientists or whatever.

Give some of us a break! I fly jets for a living. I love radios/scanners/computers and yeah I don't happen to know everything that you regulars with 3,000 posts here seem to know. And you make some of us feel really stupid, as if we should know this chit?

Were you all BORN with super-knowledge? NO!

I'm here to LEARN and it seems as if every time I post, (and there are a handfull on this forum that seem to look for opportunities!) I can expect some of the replies to be similar to the ones above.

Pleeeeeeeeeez....

:roll:

OK I'm done. Rant over. Back to the regularly scheduled program.

8)

 

[ECHO3]

Thanks, Chris. My concerns arose from the on-going radio problems in Philadelphia. The news media (TV, radio, newspapers) all attributed some of their PS entity difficulties to cellular phone interference. NexTel and rarely Cyngular were specifically mentioned.

I always respected this site for the helpful information given by several members. It only takes a few .... well, you know.

 

[Chris-M]

A simple explanation or link such as this would suffice.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question530.htm

For some of us not 'in the business' (My guess is that there are quite a few members here that are and thus should know this because they work with it everyday...I do not, and have to learn).

Here is a snip from the link above. So now 2 more of us know how Nextel works in general.

Nextel is unique among service providers because it has an entirely separate special cellular network that has its own frequencies and equipment in addition to the normal cell network shared with other providers. This network is based on Motorola's Integrated Digital Enhanced Network (iDEN) and makes Direct Connect possible. It uses the 800 MHz portion of the radio spectrum assigned to specialized mobile radio (SMR) service. Nextel has purchased a large segment of these frequencies in a significant number of the national and international cellular service markets.


The first sentence of the above quote is all that was necessary fellas.

L8R

 

[K5MAR]

First, ECHO3 didn't ask for information, he asked "Any thoughts????" And that's what he got.

Second, in a follow up post, he insists "frequencies now used by NEXTEL (CELLULAR!!!)" after being told that "The NEXTEL changes are all in the commercial/public safety bands", in spite of the fact that other threads readily accessable here have repeatedly made the point that Nextel is not a cellular service and does not occupy the FCC-allocated cellular frequencies. (It is, in fact, a SMR, Specialized Mobile Radio, operator that provides telephone interconnect service.) Regardless of what the media might say (and we all know how accurate the media is!), Nextel is not a cellular provider, and it is incorrect to call them one. The SMR frequencies that Nextel uses are actually in the same frequency range as the public safety radios, interleaved between them, as a matter of fact. This is why they interfere with the public safety users.

If somebody wants information, the first thing they should do is a search of the topics already on here. In this case, try keywords like Nextel, rebanding, interference. That should get plenty of returns. If they want to ask a question, by all means ask. But if the answer seems contradictory to what they believe they know, they should ask for clarification, rather than challenging the answerer, which his comment "frequencies now used by NEXTEL (CELLULAR!!!)" certainly does (or at least appears to).

Some of these topics will certainly be covered in the Waikiki, errr Wiki section that has just been created. But if people don't look, it won't do any good.

Mark S.

 

[loumaag]

Re: Good gawd almighty...

...OK I'm done. Rant over. Back to the regularly scheduled program.

I guess you were kidding when you posted this. :roll:

 

[RocketMan1]

You are absolutely right Chris.

I have pointed this out on several other posts.

It seems the same *******s (yea you heard me, *******s!) always have to try and put everyone else down when all we are trying to do is learn.

mmfire10 wrote: Well, your the one who continued to insist NexTel was cellular and this whole thing would somehow be a huge problem. Listen next time and maybe you won't be slapped like that.

he mentioned it twice, that does not constitute "insisting" he sure as hell wasn't arguing the fact, besides, after reading.....

Nextel is unique among service providers because it has an entirely separate special cellular network that has its own frequencies and equipment in addition to the normal cell network shared with other providers. This network is based on Motorola's Integrated Digital Enhanced Network (iDEN) and makes Direct Connect possible. It uses the 800 MHz portion of the radio spectrum assigned to specialized mobile radio (SMR) service. Nextel has purchased a large segment of these frequencies in a significant number of the national and international cellular service markets.

not being an "expert" such as the rest of you, someone could very easily misconstrue this to show that Nextell does have a cellular network, hell it sais so in the first line.

K5mar wrote: First, ECHO3 didn't ask for information, he asked "Any thoughts????" And that's what he got.

If your "thoughts" are to try and humiliate and berate, than you people here are sorrier than I first imagined.


N_Jay wrote:By the way, in case you missed the point. NEXTEL IS NOT CELLULAR

Hey N_Jay in case you missed the point! Stop acting like a jaggoff everytime someone asks a question or just doesn't quite understand what he read to begin with, a little common courtesy and a lot of patience with us rookies will go a long way! normally this wouldn't be an issue, but you do this more often than not, take some Prozac and viagra and chill.

And to the rest of you! You should all be ashamed of yourselfs for acting like a bunch of spoiled, know it all, punk as kids, GROW UP! None of you were born with this knowledge, you asked questions, got answers, and I bet no one treated you like a moron for asking, so put more tape on your popbottle glasses, adjust your pocket protectors, and settle in for a night of jerking it to seven of nine.

PEACE!!!!!

 

[flyingwolf]

Its samantha carter now. (Stargate SG-1)

And I remove my pocket protector so I dont get anything on it.

Now can we all grow up and act like adults? Or do we have to open a timeout forum?

 

[mancow]

Nextel gets whatever they want. If they want to be considered cellular then I'm sure a few more $$ will buy that too.


mancow

 

[RocketMan1]

Samantha Carter 8) HOMADA, HOMADA, HOMADA :wink:

Can't forget about that hot little asian number on Battlestar Gallactica either :!:

 

[RocketMan1]

I would like to apoligize to anyone I may have insulted in this thread, I should have never stooped to the level of some by calling names. Sorry