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[Viper43]

Now a double fatality... and another crash West bound at the 112..... not a good night in the county

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[Viper43]

ISP from Pendleton, Indy and Connersville, plus Hancock Co are working the crash scenes plus Knightown & Henry Co Sheriffs Department and Greenfield PD all working traffic.

Ch 13 had video a few minutes ago.

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[GTO_04]

Multi county manhunt - Clinton, Tipton and Howard counties are assisting US Marshals and ISP in a search for a wanted subject. Clinton Co had been pursing the suspect but lost them.

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The suspect had robbed a bank in Atlanta, IN. I didn't even know they HAD a bank in Atlanta!!! They have been after this guy for months BTW. He robbed several other banks in the past few months.

It is rare that they outrun a chopper, especially in a Chevy Cobalt!

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[zerobleu]

Hamilton County EDACS - Sheridan Fire

Working residence in town. Possibly someone inside Ops on H FG 01 - TG 530

update: residence owners are not home.

 

[Viper43]

The suspect had robbed a bank in Atlanta, IN. I didn't even know they HAD a bank in Atlanta!!! They have been after this guy for months BTW. He robbed several other banks in the past few months.

It is rare that they outrun a chopper, especially in a Chevy Cobalt!

GTO_04

The chopper never got close, he was lost, which is why I later added the pilot needed training, he had no idea where he was. I rarrely go in that area he was and I knew where he was ???
Yeah, that was odd that Cobalt out ran the cruiser though...guy must have chipped it... lol
Although underpowered he didn't have to brake as much and could probably out turn the cruiser.
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[Viper43]

Well the crash above was a single fatality, apparently someone gave out wrong info... also lucky no one else was killed as the person who died crossed the median and hit a box truck headon.

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[GTO_04]

Hamilton County EDACS - Sheridan Fire

Working residence in town. Possibly someone inside Ops on H FG 01 - TG 530

update: residence owners are not home.

I just missed that one. It must have happened right after I got home and turned my Pro-96 off! Hopefully it was minor!

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[Viper43]

465 & Shadeland

465 and Shadeland semi on fire that crashed into the bridge. 2 engines set up on 465 and third engine up on top on Shadeland. At this time only one lane open on 465, didn't catch north or south side though. OPS31


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[kadetklapp]

The chopper never got close, he was lost, which is why I later added the pilot needed training, he had no idea where he was. I rarrely go in that area he was and I knew where he was ???
Yeah, that was odd that Cobalt out ran the cruiser though...guy must have chipped it... lol
Although underpowered he didn't have to brake as much and could probably out turn the cruiser.

This same idiot robbed the Dover bank in July when he ran from Thorntown and their Hemi-Powered Dodge Charger. The problem is that ILEA doesn't really offer training in the PIT manuver, and until they allow that in this state, this is going to continue to happen. You cannot just drive until someone runs out of gas. These agencies need to be able to stop these pursuits right after they start!

 

[Viper43]

Well it depends on the deparetment, not ILEA to get the training. I know here in Hancock Co we have several officers on the county and GPD who are PIT trained. Additionally these officers have specific cars that are "pit cars" and these officers also have additional pusuit traing as well. IMPD has the same, only specific officers are trained or allowed to do the pit manuver and they have specific cars for it. The training isn't cheap, and departments have various rules on pursuits, from zero pursuits to free for all pursuits, there is no standard for pursuits or the training of the officers, which is why a couple years ago we had that huge pile up on I65 where 18 police cars were damaged.

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[GTO_04]

Well it depends on the deparetment, not ILEA to get the training. I know here in Hancock Co we have several officers on the county and GPD who are PIT trained. Additionally these officers have specific cars that are "pit cars" and these officers also have additional pusuit traing as well. IMPD has the same, only specific officers are trained or allowed to do the pit manuver and they have specific cars for it. The training isn't cheap, and departments have various rules on pursuits, from zero pursuits to free for all pursuits, there is no standard for pursuits or the training of the officers, which is why a couple years ago we had that huge pile up on I65 where 18 police cars were damaged.

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When was that? I missed that one!

My understanding is some departments allow the PIT maneuver and some do not.

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[Viper43]

Ummm, see the dirst sentence "Well it depends on the department" and if you also look you'll see it says some departments have rules on pursuits including not allowing them at all to to do what ya gotta do. I covered it all.

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[retroactiv]

If anyone isn't watching, This is the perfect area to put it... The colts have gone from being down 23 points to being in a place to be able to win...

 

[Viper43]

and lose....

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[kadetklapp]

Thanks Viper. I was told by my own department's admin that to use the PIT in Indiana was "excessive" force in this state! Good to know.

 

[KC9NEG]

Very cool pursuit last night up Mass. Ave. and across 38th St. Lots of units involved. Concluded with driver bailing on 39th and being apprehended almost immediately. Passenger bailed and my batteries went flat before I found out if they got him, too. This pursuit had some pretty dramatic comms.

Todd/Indy

 

[Viper43]

I heard that pursuit, it was a short one as pursuits go. The officer who initiated the pursuit gets overly excited and yells into the mic and makes it sound bigger than what it is, he needs to calm down before someone gets hurt. And he needs to stop screaming in the radio so others can understand him. He's been that way since he joined the force though.

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[ISP911]

Thanks Viper. I was told by my own department's admin that to use the PIT in Indiana was "excessive" force in this state! Good to know.

That's news to me.. the PIT manuever is still taught at the EVOC Instructor course at ILEA. I was always under the impression it was up to department policy. FWIW, our policy doesn't specifically include PIT but does state use of force equivalent to the crime (misdemeanor, felony, immediate danger to life and property). We are authorized to use our vehicles to terminate pursuits based on the above criteria but not authorized to use the PIT manuever unless specifically trained to do so.

Viper43:

Regarding the officers' overly excitedness on the radio.. pursuits (both vehicular and on foot) are extremely unpredictable. Emotions run the gamut. Coming from a communications dispatcher background into LE gave me somewhat of an edge over my peers. In the handful of pursuits I've either intiated or joined in I've always made it a point to concentrate on my voice inflection. If I'm excited, dispatch gets excited.. if I'm calm dispatch stays calm. A good dispatcher will help calm the officer through radio traffic. Also, if this guy has "been this way since he's been on the force" it's highly possible his shift partners know this and will respond appropriately ensuring they don't endanger themselves or the public. Not knocking your comment in any way just giving an LEO perspective on things..

Cheers,

 

[Viper43]

That's news to me.. the PIT manuever is still taught at the EVOC Instructor course at ILEA. I was always under the impression it was up to department policy. FWIW, our policy doesn't specifically include PIT but does state use of force equivalent to the crime (misdemeanor, felony, immediate danger to life and property). We are authorized to use our vehicles to terminate pursuits based on the above criteria but not authorized to use the PIT manuever unless specifically trained to do so.

Viper43:

Regarding the officers' overly excitedness on the radio.. pursuits (both vehicular and on foot) are extremely unpredictable. Emotions run the gamut. Coming from a communications dispatcher background into LE gave me somewhat of an edge over my peers. In the handful of pursuits I've either intiated or joined in I've always made it a point to concentrate on my voice inflection. If I'm excited, dispatch gets excited.. if I'm calm dispatch stays calm. A good dispatcher will help calm the officer through radio traffic. Also, if this guy has "been this way since he's been on the force" it's highly possible his shift partners know this and will respond appropriately ensuring they don't endanger themselves or the public. Not knocking your comment in any way just giving an LEO perspective on things..

Cheers,

.... again I said it is up to the department. some allow it some do not, but it's not ILEA's choice, they train whoever they are paid to train, not every officer gets pit training, although they all get some pursuit training and defensive driving training.

BTW, I was a dispatcher, so I know the dispatchers react as well, but some stay calm no matter how the officer acts. When I dispatched and an officer got overly carried away on the radio I'd save the tape and play it back for them so they would hear how they sounded. It worked with 99% of them, that 1% just didn't seem to get it. One guy it worked great with, a week after going through the tape he got into a pursuit and was great on the radio, even other officers were impressed.

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[Viper43]

Semi rolled over on I-74 Shelbyville, westbound lane, mm #44, driver dazed but out of truck

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