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Buyer beware of EBay sale: "Harris Falcon III RF-900P"

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It's no different than the many Ebay sellers peddling questionable APX8000s in SRX housings, they know their target miliwhacker market. I don't see it as misleading. Someone who wants the real thing isn't going to Ebay to get it.

If someone wants to ask $6000 for a parts built APX8000 with Home Depot rammed flash code, good luck with that. So long as they aren't advertising it as genuine, who cares. One can always use the "report item" button if it bothers one that much, not that anything will happen but if that one helps one sleep at night.

I wouldn't pay $300 for an XG100. It's unsupported by L3H, the size of a Buick, and known to fail sooner than later. If some Molle carrier fetish LARPer whacker will cough up 3 grand, good old American capitalism. Quit hating.
So when APX8000s are unsupported soon would you expect them to be worth about $300? The XG-100P still does about 98% of what an APX8000 will do for currently almost 10X less $$. Same with the APX8500, give me one of those and I will immediately sell it to by 10 more XG-100Ms, thank you very much.
 

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So when APX8000s are unsupported soon would you expect them to be worth about $300? The XG-100P still does about 98% of what an APX8000 will do for currently almost 10X less $$. Same with the APX8500, give me one of those and I will immediately sell it to by 10 more XG-100Ms, thank you very much.
The APX8000 is a current production LMR product, so that's apples to oranges. Once cancelled, MSI does support it for a few more years. None the less, APX ANs are unsupported and they can be had for that, not multi-band, but 7500s are hitting the sub thousand dollar range for mid powers. That's what happens with technology products. An iPhone 12 does just about everything an iPhone 16 does sans sat messaging, and they can be had for under $200 new.

The XG-100P isn't worth hundreds. When it breaks, you drop it in a trash can. Need it aligned? Good luck with that. Want a feature string? Get ready for L3H to laugh at you, even if they entertain end users. (MSI will sell flash upgrades for APX8000s all day long), and APX8000s are fully depot repairable.

Of course none of this matters for Ebay/grey market radios. No manufacturer is obligated to provide any level of support. "We service what WE sell" used to be on the back of every Radio Shack receipt. It speaks volumes. The suckers born a minute who pay four figure prices to third party sellers than want to file level 27 butthurt reports because (insert vendor here) won't help them with their parts built trash are always amusing.
 

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The APX8000 is a current production LMR product, so that's apples to oranges. Once cancelled, MSI does support it for a few more years. None the less, APX ANs are unsupported and they can be had for that, not multi-band, but 7500s are hitting the sub thousand dollar range for mid powers. That's what happens with technology products. An iPhone 12 does just about everything an iPhone 16 does sans sat messaging, and they can be had for under $200 new.

The XG-100P isn't worth hundreds. When it breaks, you drop it in a trash can. Need it aligned? Good luck with that. Want a feature string? Get ready for L3H to laugh at you, even if they entertain end users. (MSI will sell flash upgrades for APX8000s all day long), and APX8000s are fully depot repairable.

Of course none of this matters for Ebay/grey market radios. No manufacturer is obligated to provide any level of support. "We service what WE sell" used to be on the back of every Radio Shack receipt. It speaks volumes. The suckers born a minute who pay four figure prices to third party sellers than want to file level 27 butthurt reports because (insert vendor here) won't help them with their parts built trash are always amusing.
So what does it cost to get your supported APX8000 repaired through Motorola? I suspect the repair cost will buy two nice working Harris XG-100Ps. Come on, what's the cheapest you can get a repair from Motorola? I'll PM you the cost to get a 100P upgraded.
 

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So what does it cost to get your supported APX8000 repaired through Motorola? I suspect the repair cost will buy two nice working Harris XG-100Ps. Come on, what's the cheapest you can get a repair from Motorola? I'll PM you the cost to get a 100P upgraded.
Flat rate was around $500. But keep in mind, mine are legit agency purchased/owned, and were under "Service from the start" 5 year warranty. Only had to send 1 out of 250 in for a bad RF board. Cost us nothing.

The APX BN and 8Ks aren't going anywhere for at least the next couple of years, and even then, depot/software/parts will be available for at least 3 years after the cancellation date/last order/call at the bar.
 

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Flat rate was around $500. But keep in mind, mine are legit agency purchased/owned, and were under "Service from the start" 5 year warranty. Only had to send 1 out of 250 in for a bad RF board. Cost us nothing.

The APX BN and 8Ks aren't going anywhere for at least the next couple of years, and even then, depot/software/parts will be available for at least 3 years after the cancellation date/last order/call at the bar.
Are those prices for everyone? If a hamster with no big public service account breaks his 8000 will it get repaired for $500? Many of the hamster owned 8000s and 8500s I've seen have been diddled with features added by some other ham by unknown means. What happens if you send that in for repair???

Edit: I see on a flat rate sheet for dealers and partners from 2022, Motorola was charging $615 for APX repair and in 2024 I see hams reporting paying in the $700 range for minimal repairs to an APX8000. Ouch. Well, I guess that's what you pay for the privilege of owning a Motorola that is still supported. If my XG-100P breaks I can get a nice looking one for about $200 off fleabay that has a boot up problem and maybe swap hardware.

If I ding up the case on one of my XG-100Ps I actually have a spare green case as on the eBay special RF-900P that started this thread, but I won't be trying to pass it off as the real deal.
 
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Even when the thread was originally all about a Harris radio, in the GE/TYCO/CommNet/MACOM/Harris/L3/whatever forum, it still ends up a Motorola bashing fest. You people are just weird.
Promoting Harris is usually taken as a Motorola bash, that's just how it goes. I like Motorola but I tend to like Harris more. Hey, how bout them RF-900Ps? Anybody seen a real one out there?
 

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Promoting Harris is usually taken as a Motorola bash, that's just how it goes. I like Motorola but I tend to like Harris more. Hey, how bout them RF-900Ps? Anybody seen a real one out there?

Never saw a real one. Don’t think they ever made it to actual production.

I think it was scrapped due to the start of the demise of JTRS.

Changes to COTS requirements also killed it off as the DOD wanted to keep commercial radios separate from service.

The XG-100P and Thales Liberty were built for the same purpose but both were short lived.
 

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Even when the thread was originally all about a Harris radio, in the GE/TYCO/CommNet/MACOM/Harris/L3/whatever forum, it still ends up a Motorola bashing fest. You people are just weird.
You missed Ericsson for one. Can we somehow make an accurate acronym for that company? I mean seriously for someone who has been in this biz for 4 plus decades it is hard to keep track especially chronologically. I actually feel sad for the long term employees who have to recall, explain, change business cards, worry about benefits, etc.
 

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Never saw a real one. Don’t think they ever made it to actual production.

I think it was scrapped due to the start of the demise of JTRS.

Changes to COTS requirements also killed it off as the DOD wanted to keep commercial radios separate from service.

The XG-100P and Thales Liberty were built for the same purpose but both were short lived.
I believe the Thales Liberty was the first tri band public service radio ever produced with the Harris XG-100P being the second but the XG-100P was born out of the Harris military PRC-152 series and had a longer service life. Having handled most of the Harris Falcon II and III radios a real RF-900P would be very fragile for military field use.
 

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I believe the Thales Liberty was the first tri band public service radio ever produced with the Harris XG-100P being the second but the XG-100P was born out of the Harris military PRC-152 series and had a longer service life. Having handled most of the Harris Falcon II and III radios a real RF-900P would be very fragile for military field use.

It was ish.

Per the government rule of two. Harris and Thales both created triband public safety radios for bidding.

Thales released the Liberty in Spring of 2008 and Harris with the XG100P in Fall of 2008.

Remember the RF5800 was originally produced by Thales until Harris completed testing of the Falcon II lineup in which the RF5800 started the form factor for the FALCON III series.

Its a whole mess of government bids and contracts.

I also think the RF-900 was scrapped because it would not get FCC type acceptance as MIL radios are not.
 

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So f**king what, its a 100P with a green case on it being offered for a lot of money with a disclosure on it. No fraud, no theft.
If you dont like it, ignore it... Instead you gotta come here and make a big deal. I would't pay more than $100 for the 100Ps and I refuse to even touch them for friends now cause RPM14 sucks and its not worth my time.
It's like the same thing when you hear someone on TV or Radio you dont like, just turn the channel off...
 

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It was ish.

Per the government rule of two. Harris and Thales both created triband public safety radios for bidding.

Thales released the Liberty in Spring of 2008 and Harris with the XG100P in Fall of 2008.

Remember the RF5800 was originally produced by Thales until Harris completed testing of the Falcon II lineup in which the RF5800 started the form factor for the FALCON III series.

Its a whole mess of government bids and contracts.

I also think the RF-900 was scrapped because it would not get FCC type acceptance as MIL radios are not.
I'm a little familiar with the original Thales made RF-5800, had them in each color. Ooh, don't look at that picture, the were "getting it on" when took it. I may have shown you the black one a Dayton about 17yrs ago, or maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.

Why would the RF-900P not get FCC type acceptance when the basic radio inside was type accepted? To my limited knowledge the only differences between the 100P and 900P was an additional waveform and green case.

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I'm a little familiar with the original Thales made RF-5800, had them in each color. Ooh, don't look at that picture, the were "getting it on" when took it. I may have shown you the black one a Dayton about 17yrs ago, or maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.

Why would the RF-900P not get FCC type acceptance when the basic radio inside was type accepted? To my limited knowledge the only differences between the 100P and 900P was an additional waveform and green case.

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Love those.

I enjoy my PRC6809 but would love a RF-5800 variant.


VULOS is why.

That “waveform” is 30-512Mhz band operation.

Original RF-900P was going to support 30-512mhz.

It is possible it would only support just the lowband portion which I would guess would allow it to be type accepted.

VULOS is loosely used. VHF-UHF LOS which generally groups the full 30-512mhz section.

I know it can be broken up though.

What was the 900P actually going to support? No one will be ever know.
 
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An XG-100M? Hopefully you will figure it out without a soldering iron. I am tempted to join that cult. But I have too many radios right now and too little time.
I would imagine a hot plate and a heat gun would be one way to get the cover loose but there are a lot of parts on the bottom of the PCB. There are so many other parts nearby on the top I'd probably have to hold them in place with Kapton tape or risk loosening and losing them. It may be more practical to get a giant soldering iron and heat the snot out of the metal case in order to pry it up.

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Someone who wants the real thing isn't going to Ebay to get it.
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So long as they aren't advertising it as genuine, who cares.
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Quit hating.

Lots of "real things" can be found on Ebay. Best one ever for me was a portable Dorne & Margolin military, green UHF Satcom antenna that PRCguy found listed as a "Sniper Antenna". The guy really had no idea what he had but was not being deceitful but rather was sort of imaginative. I bought it for $75 (Thanks Mike!).

Genuine like saying "MINT CONDITION Harris Falcon III RF-900P"?? Okidoki.

It's a free forum and we both get to post opinions. If my opinion leads to anyone being unhappy, so be it.
 

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It's a free forum and we both get to post opinions. If my opinion leads to anyone being unhappy, so be it.
So why attack some guy trying to make a buck? I mean, it's Ebay. I have no dog in the fight. Don't know the guy/gal, but posting things like "buyer beware" is a little over the top. I get it, the guy puffs it up, but no more or less than two dozen other long time sellers with 100 percent seller feedback peddling their overpriced APX, XTS, and other radios making CopSounds™. It's up to the buyer. If a buyer wants to blow thousands, why does it bother you? Not your money.
 

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So why attack some guy trying to make a buck? I mean, it's Ebay. I have no dog in the fight. Don't know the guy/gal, but posting things like "buyer beware" is a little over the top. I get it, the guy puffs it up, but no more or less than two dozen other long time sellers with 100 percent seller feedback peddling their overpriced APX, XTS, and other radios making CopSounds™. It's up to the buyer. If a buyer wants to blow thousands, why does it bother you? Not your money.
It sure seems to bother you despite having “no dog in the fight”. Nor are you ever going to buy any XP-100s are you?? I mean it’s great that you are never ever fooled by any eBay listings but I think my first post said something like “attention newbies” and that ain’t you, right?

Again, thanks for your opinions……
 

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So f**king what, its a 100P with a green case on it being offered for a lot of money with a disclosure on it. No fraud, no theft.
If you dont like it, ignore it... Instead you gotta come here and make a big deal. I would't pay more than $100 for the 100Ps and I refuse to even touch them for friends now cause RPM14 sucks and its not worth my time.
It's like the same thing when you hear someone on TV or Radio you dont like, just turn the channel off...

It's like the same thing when you hear someone on TV or Radio you don't like, don't read or respond to the thread...
 
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