California Radio Interoperable System (CRIS)

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I went through the 700 band today, and there is a Site 7 broadcasting with a strong signal in the South Sacramento area (using a rubber duck inside a building).

It's broadcasting no neighbors.

Site 1 is still broadcasting as posted above.

Site: 7 NAC: 9D7 NL: Name:
769.20625 CC
770.90625 scc
773.31875 scc
774.06875 scc
 

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I was in the Modesto area today and was just barely able to receive Site 3. This is probably Bullion Mtn.

Site: 3
NAC: 9D3
770.20625 control channel
770.94375 alternate control channel
773.54375 alternate control channel
773.81875 alternate control channel
 

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If this is indeed the initial build out of CRIS, anyone can help confirm which site numbers correspond to which tower locations?

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So far, it's believed:

Site 1 - Pine Hill (confirmed, @scannerboy02 went to the site)
Site 2 - Mt Oso (heard in Sac)
Site 3 - Bullion Mtn (heard in Modesto)
Site 4 - Blue Ridge (heard in Visalia)
Site 5 - UNK, hasn't been heard, possibly Joaquin Ridge
Site 6 - UNK, hasn't been heard, possibly Round Mtn
Site 7 - Sacramento, not linked to other sites, yet. Possibly for fill-in coverage in Sac Metro area
 

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Also, either I was wrong when I initially started this thread, or Cal OES has officially changed the name of the radio system to California Radio Interoperable System.
 

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I was in the Modesto area today and was just barely able to receive Site 3. This is probably Bullion Mtn.

Site: 3
NAC: 9D3
770.20625 control channel
770.94375 alternate control channel
773.54375 alternate control channel
773.81875 alternate control channel
How well were you able to hear site 2 in Modesto? If it is Oso it should have been booming.
 

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How well were you able to hear site 2 in Modesto? If it is Oso it should have been booming.

In my mind, I thought to have Site 2 locked out while I was heading down there was a good idea so I could try to lock on the more southern sites. I didn't even think of checking Site 2... :oops:
 

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We received Db submission for Site-9.

Reported as Bloomer Hill in Butte County

770.20625 CC
770.94375 alt
773.54375 alt
773.81875 alt

Please continue submitting your findings
 

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As this is turning out to be a statewide system, the discussion thread has been moved out from the Sacramento subforum into the broader California one.
 

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I went through the 700 band today, and there is a Site 7 broadcasting with a strong signal in the South Sacramento area (using a rubber duck inside a building).

It's broadcasting no neighbors.

Site 1 is still broadcasting as posted above.

Site: 7 NAC: 9D7 NL: Name:
769.20625 CC
770.90625 scc
773.31875 scc
774.06875 scc

Based on the new map, this is likely the SacResourcesBldg site. I will run the site on Unitrunker and DSDPlus when I get to work today and see if any new information is provided in the control channel data for neighbors.
 

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Based on the new map, this is likely the SacResourcesBldg site. I will run the site on Unitrunker and DSDPlus when I get to work today and see if any new information is provided in the control channel data for neighbors.

Site 7 is still broadcasting as isolated, no neighbors. I can just barely get Site 9, it's doing the same thing, isolated with no neighbors.

Site 1 and 2 did the same thing when they first came online for a while; they eventually got linked together with Site 3, 4, 5 and 6.
 

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Here's an informational presentation I found on the Northern California APCO (NAPCO) website that shows the timeline of this statewide system, and all the expect site locations throughout California. It also goes a bit into the naming structure of some of the talk groups, and how they would like the system to hand-off to other regional systems, if they cooperate.

NOTE: I've submitted via an archive.org link instead of directly via the NAPCO website so it doesn't disappear on us:

Keynote: Eric Dye, California OES, Statewide California Radio Interoperability System (CRIS)
 

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Looks like so far this system is a Phase 1 system. As to encryption this is a no brainer moving forward with any new state of the art new statewide system being built out especially in California. Encryption of course is going to be utilized as this is the normal build out process now.

As to how much who really knows until the system is completely built out. Security and Encryption is always a huge bullet point when building out the radio's codeplugs now.
 

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Looks like so far this system is a Phase 1 system. As to encryption this is a no brainer moving forward with any new state of the art new statewide system being built out especially in California. Encryption of course is going to be utilized as this is the normal build out process now.

As to how much who really knows until the system is completely built out. Security and Encryption is always a huge bullet point when building out the radio's codeplugs now.

Very true I am also wondering if CHP will have any Dispatch Channels on this system? I know in Sacramento they have the New 700 on Pine Hill. So it will be interesting to see what this System will become.
 

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You guys rock on finding this new system. As I added it to the Sentinel, obviously the program asks for BAND PLAN. I'm a novice scanner listener (of 32 years) at best. I take it when you get the band plan info (if that's possible), you'll post it? Thank you!!
 

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You guys rock on finding this new system. As I added it to the Sentinel, obviously the program asks for BAND PLAN. I'm a novice scanner listener (of 32 years) at best. I take it when you get the band plan info (if that's possible), you'll post it? Thank you!!
Why? The scanner will pick up the band plan from the control channel >99% of the time.
 

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Here's an informational presentation I found on the Northern California APCO (NAPCO) website that shows the timeline of this statewide system, and all the expect site locations throughout California. It also goes a bit into the naming structure of some of the talk groups, and how they would like the system to hand-off to other regional systems, if they cooperate.

NOTE: I've submitted via an archive.org link instead of directly via the NAPCO website so it doesn't disappear on us:

Keynote: Eric Dye, California OES, Statewide California Radio Interoperability System (CRIS)
This is a great find! Thank you.

As someone who currently lives in an area that borders three states, two who already have statewide P25 trunking systems in use (Ohio and Indiana) and another that is looking to build one (Kentucky) I like what they are doing here in California.

I would highly encourage them to pursue the "system of systems" approach as much as possible. If you think about it, a lot of the area they want to cover in the first few years is already covered by P25 trunking systems so if they spent a majority of that time/money working to link those systems into one large system (as Ohio did) they wouldn't need to build sites from scratch. They could then use the savings from that approach to build new (state owned) sites in the more rural areas and they would probably be able to get the entire system on line sooner.

In Ohio they have several tiers for the "system of systems"
Some agencies own and operate their own sites and link them to the state core. Those agencies don't pay subscriber fees because they are paying to maintain the sites.
Some agencies build the sites and then hand them over to the state for a credit (sometimes lasting several years) on subscriber fees.
Some agencies turn over their spectrum to the state for a credit on subscriber fees and allow the state to build the sites.
Some agencies are just subscribers and pay the standard fees and the state builds sites to cover those areas.
This seems to work very well and just about everyone is now on the statewide system.

As for talkgroup naming and partitioning, this is very important and California seems to be deviating from what is done elsewhere. Most talkgroups on statewide systems start with a two or three digit county number that is derived from an alphabetical listing of the counties. They then allow each agency to select the remaining part of the talkgroup name as long as it's easy to identify the use(r) from the name. In Kentucky they are already starting to do this on new P25 systems even though they are not linked statewide.
Each county/large city/large agency is given a block of 500 talkgroups to use as they see fit. If the county/city/agency needs more than 500 talkgroups (this is rare) they can apply for more and if the application is approved they are normally assigned additional talkgroups from an overflow block.
The talkgroups are partitioned so as the majority of the primary talkgroups are locked to the home site with tactical or multi agency talkgroups allowed to roam to sites that are one ring around the home site. Each agency is also allowed a few talkgroups that will roam statewide.
Most state agency talkgroups are allowed to roam statewide.
The systems also have statewide, regional and local "mutual aid" talkgroups that are setup by the state that are also allowed to roam statewide.
 
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