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Can I program talkgroups on an xts3000 and or 5000

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I have an xts3000 model 3 and ive programmed it for Nashville TN. I have it programmed for non affiliate scan only, and it's only scanning conventional personalities that are set for astro 25 digital recieve only. No advanced system key required. The problem is i wanna hear specific talkgroups and i want to know if i can program talkgroups without. System key, and if so can i on the xts3000. If i cant on this radio, i have just ordered the xts5000 model ii. And ordered the proframming cable downloaded the astro25 portable cps software, where as for the 3000 i am using astro saber and xts3000 cps. Can anyone give me some guidance? Thanks
 
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Hmmm. I see. Thanks for the response! Guess i need to find a way to get a system key then i suppose. I wish there was a way to do it without it though
 

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As a radio system admin, we require an lengthy agreement, and user fees along with a long list of requirements including the absolute need for use of our system key. so far only DPS is allowed to have it.
You may be better off talking with the system admin to see what their requirements are.
 
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Thanks for your response too Larry. I guess i forgot for a second and thought that all of us are using these radios for only listening to Police/Fire/ and Ems. I cant exactly expect the police department to hand me a system key lol. Thats why we have a bunch of awesome people like yourself and others that have programming knowledge and tricks around things. I have a buddy that said he couldnt generate a system key for me but ive lost contact with him. But there are absolutely others out there who could maybe help. Scanning talkgroups one at a time on trunking is so much more convienant than scanning all at once where u lose the conversation.
 
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In the astro saber and xts 3000 program that i use on the XTS3000 i dont even see any tabs for HEX, and DEC. So even with the key im not sure how to program the talkgroups in. When i get my XTS5000 and open it using astro25 portable cps, maybe i can program that one for talkgroups after i get a key. But is the XTS3000 even capable?
 
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Hello brainiacs!
Im about to add a system key to my xts3000 that i already currently use to monitor Nashville TN police, fire, and ems frequencies on a a non affiliate conventional scan. My goal is to be able to program actual talkgroups so i can choose specific areas of town to listen to instead of everyone at once. My question is Does adding. System to the radio automatically cause risk for accidental affiliation and how do i make sure it doesnt? Also, in my XTS3000 CODEPLUG, for which i use the program asteo saber and xts3000 cps, i dont see a spot for filling in HEX, DEC, or ALPHA so not sure where to put the info. Please help me.
 

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The system key isn’t stored in the radio. It is used to access the trunking portion of the CPS to edit or add a existing or new system.

Not knowing how to properly set up a radio for NAF could lead to the radio affiliating. There is a lot of information on this site as well as others that can guide you in the right directions. I am a recommend you study the process before attempting. Read and read some more.


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Great! Thanks! Ii still cant manage to find where to enter in the talkgroups though. And alot of areas are still grayed out. Even after loading the system keu. Sure wish i had a step by step mentor
 

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If you are talking about this system: https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=7078
the XTS3000 will not work. This is a Phase II system. You mention that you want to do a non-affilated conventional scan. If you are going to do a "conventional" scan that means you won't be needing to set trunking parameters anyway since you just be doing a conventional scan of the trunking frequencies. Since most of the comms are encrypted, you won't be able to listen to them anyway. But if you want the XTS3000 to actually track the trunking system, it won't work.

Finally - just get yourself a scanner. Unless you know what you are doing, you can actually cause problems on the trunking system. As innocent as you might try to be, it can be a felony if you are prosecuted. You have identified yourself and the trunking system to any administration personnel that might be watching these threads.

I'm not trying to be the radio police or give you a hard time. But I've witnessed first hand what can happen when a rogue radio tries to gain unauthorized access to a system.
 

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The talkgroups are entered under the trunking personality section under the tab labeled “tall groups “. If you do not have a trunking section listed in your codeplug tree in CPS then your radio is likely not flashed or capable for trunking.

As already noted, if it’s a Phase 2 system you’re trying to monitor, forget it. No XTS series radio will monitor Phase 2.


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Great! Thanks! Ii still cant manage to find where to enter in the talkgroups though. And alot of areas are still grayed out. Even after loading the system keu. Sure wish i had a step by step mentor

What is the source of the system key? Is it actually loaded? What's grayed out? Are you able to create the trunking system and trunking personality for it? You could do everything right, and unless you set the scan personality to multisystem scan, you won't be able to add talk groups to a conventional scan list.

Just adding a trunked system to a radio won't cause it to affiliate, but if that mode switch so much as touches a talk group for a moment, it will. Make sure that manipulating the mode switch won't get you to a talk group.

Frankly, I'm uneasy with someone with no programming experience attempting to do a no-affilliate scan on a real radio.
 

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You have started two threads about basically the same topic. A moderator needs to merge the threads together. As I stated in your other post. Your radio may not be capable of trunking. What model# is it? What is the flash code? What specific system are you trying to monitor?

Talkgroups are not listed in CPS as Hex or Dec. They’re listed as “Talkgroup ID” which should be entered in the HEX format.

The help menu in the CPS is phenomenal. Lots of information packed in there. However, if you are having this much difficulty with your radio, it would be best for you to just buy a scanner for now. Not trying to sound harsh. We all have to learn at some point. But not on a public safety system that the you stand the risk of affiliating or worse by causing interference in a life or death situation.


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Frankly, I'm uneasy with someone with no programming experience attempting to do a no-affilliate scan on a real radio.

As a radio system administrator, I agree.

To the OP, if you are going to do this, make 100% sure you cannot accidentally affiliate with the system. When it comes to public safety system, lives are on the line. Don't be "that guy".
 
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Well respectfully you guys ive never seen the admissions booth for astro cps programming school or motorola university so i assumed i have learn my gathering my own knowledge from great people like you and reading what everyone says online and getting my feet wet by doing it hands on. I am taking precautions otherwise i wouldnt be on here writing any of this. But anyone that can help would be greatly appreciated. I really need to know where to put in HEX, DEC, and ALPHA in astro saber xts3000 for the personality.
 

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Well respectfully you guys ive never seen the admissions booth for astro cps programming school or motorola university so i assumed i have learn my gathering my own knowledge from great people like you and reading what everyone says online and getting my feet wet by doing it hands on. I am taking precautions otherwise i wouldnt be on here writing any of this. But anyone that can help would be greatly appreciated. I really need to know where to put in HEX, DEC, and ALPHA in astro saber xts3000 for the personality.

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Right there. It’s under Trunking Personality- Personality 1 or whichever one you’re trying to edit. Then you click on the talkgroup tab and enter the HEX id under Astro 25 Talkgroup.

But more specifically, what system are you trying to monitor? Which talkgroups? What model radio do you have and what is the flash code? This is very important information and will help get you the right answers. I’m afraid you’re at a standstill until you can provide that info.



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I posted some questions for you, intending to provide help. At this point, we really don't have enough information to do much of anything. And my unease is even stonger now.

In the meantime, here is the steps in order...

1. Obtain, install, and load the system key.
2. Create the trunking system. You'll need some data like system id, control channels, etc.
3. Create trunking personality. This is where you insert talk group IDs in hex or decimal.
4. Create zones. Assign talk groups created in step 3 to channels.
5. Create conventional personality.
6. Create a zone for conventional channels.
7. Create scan personality. Set for multi- system scan.
8. Create a scan list for the conventional zone and channels.
9. Add trunked talk groups to the conventional scan list.
10. Scan from the conventional channels. As soon as that radio selects a trunked mode, it affiliated. If it lands on it during scan, it won't.

That is roughly what you need to do. There are a number of distinct steps needed, and they need to be done in the right order. If you don't have the system key in the computer, and actually loaded for that instance of CPS, you can't proceed to step 2. And so on.


Well respectfully you guys ive never seen the admissions booth for astro cps programming school or motorola university so i assumed i have learn my gathering my own knowledge from great people like you and reading what everyone says online and getting my feet wet by doing it hands on. I am taking precautions otherwise i wouldnt be on here writing any of this. But anyone that can help would be greatly appreciated. I really need to know where to put in HEX, DEC, and ALPHA in astro saber xts3000 for the personality.
 

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I dont see an XTS3k working on a Ph2 system, unless that system is using P1. Your XTS has to have the right FC to be able to do it. I could help you with it, but you need to know what the CC's and bandplan is.
 
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Wow you are awesome zz0468. That was alot of great explaining and tool alot of time to help me! Thanks for that. Im halfway thru your instructions but still have questions. Im creating a conventional personality now. Do i put in the control channel here? And i set it to revieve only obviously. Also i dont seem mixed mode in scanlist. Just conventional , priority mon, and talkgroups, also if i have to scan all conventional frequencies to pick up to talkgroup too i dont know how that helps because i wanted to pick one only at a time to hear
 
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