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Why buy and install a radio good for next to nothing?

It will never have a second use?

I use a CB daily (8-10/hrs), have done so for many years and just might have insights into why some gear worthwhile, and other, not. Not used as a toy. Nor as a rarely-used item. Constant use, being dependent on timely information received.

Performance matters, or it doesn’t. It’d that simple.

Some around here have a thing against mag-mount antennas. I agree in principle. Same principle happens to apply to this thread.

When events prove the small extra cost of a minimum in quality was worth it, there won’t be another round of spending.

Does SSB mean a price increase x3? (Ha!) Between Skip and Sideband being hot last night I could have been talking all over the country parked for the night far from any metro of size. Or back to the major city I’d left

That option should be forgone? Cell service will never be interrupted?

None of you has answered a request for help across the CB, have you? When your decent unit was the only one to hear that TX. (I ain’t talking flat tire).

Y’all are the bubble-boys? Is that it? All geared up for sunshine on a rainy day?

CB’s ain’t too sophisticated. A Yaesu ft450d or other more expensive mobile-ready Amateur unit where you’ll spend more than $1,000 on radio and antenna plus whatever an install requires and licensure might meet some objections above. You’ll hit $2,000 without even trying (gear, tools, supply).

The OP wants “cheap” to define unit in performance and value, he’ll do it that way. Same for any of you. Try to avoid saying you know that of which CB is capable.

Doing it right (mainly Antenna & Power install) means a radio of any quality can be installed. Yeah, there IS a reasonable minimum in performance needed

But a CB won’t ever reveal its capabilities without DSP noise filtration. Add that as budget allows.

A hot-running (expensive) internal-amp radio won’t be more efficient, just the opposite. One pays dearly for the integration. A KL-203 Is almost disposable. Radio unaffected by an amp failure. (Two of them can be had for $100 these days ).

We ain’t talking a 500W Ameritron, here, backing a multi-band Amateur transceiver. The high dollar “Export” falls far short of offering “better” TX/RX for monies spent. They tend toward fragility. (Want a Stryker 955, get one. They sound great!)

Hearing all that’s possible to be heard, and to have just enough umph in TX to get heard, defines a worthwhile radio setup.

Run your own tests. I strongly disbelieve you’ve (whomever) the experience to back up
bad advice as is being offered

A mag mount and a U-510. That’s not even half of what a good rig can do. TX or RX. A waste of $150 for a road-going vehicle.

—A good permanent install.
— Minimum TX/RX radio performance standards.

Combined, lead to a far better outcome.

And, unfamiliarity with what I’ve written doesn’t constitute adequacy as a retort. Others MAY have experience outside the preconceived limits above.

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A hot-running (expensive) internal-amp radio won’t be more efficient, just the opposite. One pays dearly for the integration.
That is certainly not true of the Stryker I mentioned. It has a heat sink on the back larger than some entire radios.
 

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Can anyone point me in the direction of a good CB radio? I haven't messed with CB since I was an early teenager prior to discovering ham radio however I am trying to find a good one to put in my work truck. I am in the road construction business and it is a very commonly used item in everything including our heavy equipment. I am hoping to buy a good one once and be done with it "And NMO mount the roof while I am at it". I don't need anything fancy as I have a VHF Mobile and a Scanner in the truck as well. Any input would be very greatly appreciated!

I've had the best luck with name-brand radios like Cobra, and I've heard good things mentioned about President. A few references I can suggest are: CB Radio Shop with Accessories & Radios for Sale: Walcott Radio, and Copper Electronics, Inc. | Copper Electronics
 

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This is all good info but you left out some important things, like what radio do you use and what would you recommend for the OP?

Why buy and install a radio good for next to nothing?

It will never have a second use?

I use a CB daily (8-10/hrs), have done so for many years and just might have insights into why some gear worthwhile, and other, not. Not used as a toy. Nor as a rarely-used item. Constant use, being dependent on timely information received.

Performance matters, or it doesn’t. It’d that simple.

Some around here have a thing against mag-mount antennas. I agree in principle. Same principle happens to apply to this thread.

When events prove the small extra cost of a minimum in quality was worth it, there won’t be another round of spending.

Does SSB mean a price increase x3? (Ha!) Between Skip and Sideband being hot last night I could have been talking all over the country parked for the night far from any metro of size. Or back to the major city I’d left

That option should be forgone? Cell service will never be interrupted?

None of you has answered a request for help across the CB, have you? When your decent unit was the only one to hear that TX. (I ain’t talking flat tire).

Y’all are the bubble-boys? Is that it? All geared up for sunshine on a rainy day?

CB’s ain’t too sophisticated. A Yaesu ft450d or other more expensive mobile-ready Amateur unit where you’ll spend more than $1,000 on radio and antenna plus whatever an install requires and licensure might meet some objections above. You’ll hit $2,000 without even trying (gear, tools, supply).

The OP wants “cheap” to define unit in performance and value, he’ll do it that way. Same for any of you. Try to avoid saying you know that of which CB is capable.

Doing it right (mainly Antenna & Power install) means a radio of any quality can be installed. Yeah, there IS a reasonable minimum in performance needed

But a CB won’t ever reveal its capabilities without DSP noise filtration. Add that as budget allows.

A hot-running (expensive) internal-amp radio won’t be more efficient, just the opposite. One pays dearly for the integration. A KL-203 Is almost disposable. Radio unaffected by an amp failure. (Two of them can be had for $100 these days ).

We ain’t talking a 500W Ameritron, here, backing a multi-band Amateur transceiver. The high dollar “Export” falls far short of offering “better” TX/RX for monies spent. They tend toward fragility. (Want a Stryker 955, get one. They sound great!)

Hearing all that’s possible to be heard, and to have just enough umph in TX to get heard, defines a worthwhile radio setup.

Run your own tests. I strongly disbelieve you’ve (whomever) the experience to back up
bad advice as is being offered

A mag mount and a U-510. That’s not even half of what a good rig can do. TX or RX. A waste of $150 for a road-going vehicle.

—A good permanent install.
— Minimum TX/RX radio performance standards.

Combined, lead to a far better outcome.

And, unfamiliarity with what I’ve written doesn’t constitute adequacy as a retort. Others MAY have experience outside the preconceived limits above.

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Why buy and install a radio good for next to nothing?

It will never have a second use?

I use a CB daily (8-10/hrs), have done so for many years and just might have insights into why some gear worthwhile, and other, not. Not used as a toy. Nor as a rarely-used item. Constant use, being dependent on timely information received.

Performance matters, or it doesn’t. It’d that simple.

Some around here have a thing against mag-mount antennas. I agree in principle. Same principle happens to apply to this thread.

When events prove the small extra cost of a minimum in quality was worth it, there won’t be another round of spending.

Does SSB mean a price increase x3? (Ha!) Between Skip and Sideband being hot last night I could have been talking all over the country parked for the night far from any metro of size. Or back to the major city I’d left

That option should be forgone? Cell service will never be interrupted?

None of you has answered a request for help across the CB, have you? When your decent unit was the only one to hear that TX. (I ain’t talking flat tire).

Y’all are the bubble-boys? Is that it? All geared up for sunshine on a rainy day?

CB’s ain’t too sophisticated. A Yaesu ft450d or other more expensive mobile-ready Amateur unit where you’ll spend more than $1,000 on radio and antenna plus whatever an install requires and licensure might meet some objections above. You’ll hit $2,000 without even trying (gear, tools, supply).

The OP wants “cheap” to define unit in performance and value, he’ll do it that way. Same for any of you. Try to avoid saying you know that of which CB is capable.

Doing it right (mainly Antenna & Power install) means a radio of any quality can be installed. Yeah, there IS a reasonable minimum in performance needed

But a CB won’t ever reveal its capabilities without DSP noise filtration. Add that as budget allows.

A hot-running (expensive) internal-amp radio won’t be more efficient, just the opposite. One pays dearly for the integration. A KL-203 Is almost disposable. Radio unaffected by an amp failure. (Two of them can be had for $100 these days ).

We ain’t talking a 500W Ameritron, here, backing a multi-band Amateur transceiver. The high dollar “Export” falls far short of offering “better” TX/RX for monies spent. They tend toward fragility. (Want a Stryker 955, get one. They sound great!)

Hearing all that’s possible to be heard, and to have just enough umph in TX to get heard, defines a worthwhile radio setup.

Run your own tests. I strongly disbelieve you’ve (whomever) the experience to back up
bad advice as is being offered

A mag mount and a U-510. That’s not even half of what a good rig can do. TX or RX. A waste of $150 for a road-going vehicle.

—A good permanent install.
— Minimum TX/RX radio performance standards.

Combined, lead to a far better outcome.

And, unfamiliarity with what I’ve written doesn’t constitute adequacy as a retort. Others MAY have experience outside the preconceived limits above.

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Again...the OP isn't making a living driving trucks around the country, using his CB to navigate, being dependant on timely information received (whatever the heck that means), etc.

Nobody is talking about temporary installations and mag mounts. The OP himself says he wants a permanent CB and NMO mount antenna. I'm honestly not sure where you're coming up with this stuff.

He is not using his CB 8-10 hours per day. He does not need to talk skip across country or to the towns he just visited. He is using it at the worksite to communicate with the others and with the heavy equipment. It is complete NONSENSE to say he needs a SSB CB with illegal linear amplifier. There is a lot of bad advice being offered, unfortunately...the SSB CB with the linear is the worst of it.
 

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My personal preference is the RCI-2950 but ask me if I'd recommend it to anyone else for simple jobsite comms and the answer would be (and should be) NO.

"Hey Dave would you quit operating that excavator and give me a 10 count so I can tune you in with my clarifier?" "Hey Joe can you jump up in the dump truck and try adjusting your compression and audio response? You seemed a little bassy when you were telling me that there is traffic coming down to us from the intersection." "Jim-Bob can you turn on your linear? I can still hear some static on your signal from the flagger position 100yds away..."
 

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The OP will do what he will.

Every one of you will spend far more on cell service this year and never receive the same potential benefit.

A serious problem on the road can/will have life-changing consequences.

CB radio is real-time on-the-spot information used on the road to avoid problems, or be informed of problems with the vehicle not otherwise detected.

The only thing close to that from a cell phone is a radar weather map.

You Bubble Boys keep on with using a few unnoticed dollars as a bar against being able to communicate with those around you.

Go getcha a U510, plug it in to the cigar lighter and throw a Lil Wil on the roof. Just don’t claim to know anything about what an Eleven Meter radio can do.

A good installation and minimum-quality gear will give reliable service for a decade or more.

The antenna and power system is where the effort goes. The gear associated can be changed.

Today I’m sitting on almost iced over countryside waiting to leave to get loaded. There won’t be all that many on-road in this region. But we will be trading info on what we’ve encountered with the guys headed the opposite direction.

You say, well, I’ll stay home. There may be a day you don’t have that choice.

CB radio choice — were this a decent country —would be a matter of plug & play from a vehicle manufacturer installation of coax & power in the cars you buy.

Did you get you a little .22-Short derringer this year to protect your family?

Fit the tool to the job. The excavator at the rock quarry doesn’t need much. The road-going vehicle needs a higher-quality minimum.

Who is it pays you guys to discourage others from understanding what works well and what doesn’t?


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Again...the OP isn't making a living driving trucks around the country, using his CB to navigate, being dependant on timely information received (whatever the heck that means), etc.

Nobody is talking about temporary installations and mag mounts. The OP himself says he wants a permanent CB and NMO mount antenna. I'm honestly not sure where you're coming up with this stuff.

He is not using his CB 8-10 hours per day. He does not need to talk skip across country or to the towns he just visited. He is using it at the worksite to communicate with the others and with the heavy equipment. It is complete NONSENSE to say he needs a SSB CB with illegal linear amplifier. There is a lot of bad advice being offered, unfortunately...the SSB CB with the linear is the worst of it.

I can see your experience with CB as Mobile doesn’t exist.

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This is all good info but you left out some important things, like what radio do you use and what would you recommend for the OP?

Post #27

I have about a half-dozen radios. They get changed around. A Galaxy 86v and a Uniden 980 ride with me since last summer. A McKinley at home after a few days of road use (soon goes to my son).

Am working on new installations in my pickup, and will start one for my travel trailer. This Peterbilt is a never-ending set of experiments as it’s a flat-difficult vehicle.

The installs are where quality desired is such that Amateur gear can go in as that’s the next step. I doubt I’ll get it right the first time, but the Mobile Install Bible is the reference: k0bg.

Then my sons vehicles and home in like manner.

I’ve noted your comments on a few touch-ups to the U980, and will get to them.

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Nice to hear you give a thumbs up to the Uniden 980. I think its a no brainer choice for a good stock radio.

Post #27

I have about a half-dozen radios. They get changed around. A Galaxy 86v and a Uniden 980 ride with me since last summer. A McKinley at home after a few days of road use (soon goes to my son).

Am working on new installations in my pickup, and will start one for my travel trailer. This Peterbilt is a never-ending set of experiments as it’s a flat-difficult vehicle.

The installs are where quality desired is such that Amateur gear can go in as that’s the next step. I doubt I’ll get it right the first time, but the Mobile Install Bible is the reference: k0bg.

Then my sons vehicles and home in like manner.

I’ve noted your comments on a few touch-ups to the U980, and will get to them.

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Slow ole buddy step back and take a breath, you're going to stoke out if you keep going.

I'll give you that what you say, aside from advocating for using illegal external amplifiers and non-approved equipment, has its place but it does not answer the op's question about a simple radio for talking across a construction site. In fact a simple radio with a short loaded antenna will probably serve him better than a high performance set up that can hear mouse fart signals from thousands of miles away. Something that can hear a strong signal from a hundred yards away that is not going to hear a couple good ole boys a hundred miles away yakking about the local lot lizards while he is trying to get the fuel truck to the backhoe is going to be better in his particular circumstances.

How about this, 72 Vega GT with a barefoot Royce 1-639 into phased Hustler center loaded antennas on the sides of the hatchback, sitting on a hilltop out side of Lawton Ok talking for hours on end to Oklahoma City (77 air miles give or take) even on days when the "enhanced propagation" was not there on upper 40? Or how about Germany to Florida on a fresh out of the box Craig 40 just bought from the Audio Club in Stuttgart, plugged in to the cigarette lighter on a 20" center loaded magmount for over an hour. (Damn propagation was hot in the late 70s) Skip ahead to the next solar cycle in the late 80's, barefoot SSB CB Amarillo Texas to San Paulo Brazil.

So tell us about performance CB installations. Some of us have been doing it for half a century. BUT one has to pick the right tool for the job. Running a full gallon won't do you a bit of good if you can't hear them coming back to you. And yes I have known more alligators over the years than I care to.
 

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I can see your experience with CB as Mobile doesn’t exist.

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LMAO!!!! I have been involved with radios for almost 30 years, from CB to ham to commercial to aviation.

He does not need SSB. He does not need an illegal linear. Not needed. You can tell all the stories you want and think you have so much experience because you use a CB every day in your truck, but those things just are not needed. It is absolutely silly to say that they are.
 

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Cobra CBs were originally made under the Dynascan name then they started importing CBs with their name on them from Uniden and Toshiba. At some point they changed the name to Cobra Electronics Corp. Cobra Electronics also bought into a major percent of Marantz and is probably responsible for that brand going down the toilet from the excellent gear they produced in the 1960s.

Uniden is Uniden and they have made radios for most of the major brands at one point or another including Radio Shack (Realisitc) and more recently, President and Super Star.



Why is that? I always thought Cobra and Uniden were one and the same. It seems the Cobra 29 series have good reviews and sell well.
 

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Cobra CBs were originally made under the Dynascan name then they started importing CBs with their name on them from Uniden and Toshiba. At some point they changed the name to Cobra Electronics Corp. Cobra Electronics also bought into a major percent of Marantz and is probably responsible for that brand going down the toilet from the excellent gear they produced in the 1960s.

But is there a valid reason to avoid all Cobra C.B.'s (like the 29 LX) as 138BG strongly suggested? The 29 gets good reviews and they've been selling them for years.
 

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The Cobra 138 has been around for a long time. I was selling them in the late 1970s as a cheaper version of the 148GTL. It was a good radio back then but the current version is probably watered down some. The versions I'm familiar with are not as frequency stable on SSB as the Uniden 980.

But is there a valid reason to avoid all Cobra C.B.'s (like the 29 LX) as 138BG strongly suggested? The 29 gets good reviews and they've been selling them for years.
 

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Once upon a time the Uniden-built 29's were great AM radios. Uniden and Cobra parted ways and the good quality and performance stayed at Uniden. Cobra's standards dropped considerably on build quality (durability), a rather important aspect to consider for use on construction sites. Have heard many examples of both eras of 29's and the comparison is night/day. Would be willing to wager that Cobra has lost a fair portion of market share to Uniden, President, Galaxy, etc.

Good reviews are wonderful but I suspect they're mostly made by first time CB buyers who haven't compared them directly with other current offerings. No, I don't have stats and specs and testimonials and affidavits to back any of this up, it's just an opinion based on use and experience. Used to be a big Cobra fan but I just think there's better brands out there now for the same or even less $$.

But is there a valid reason to avoid all Cobra C.B.'s (like the 29 LX) as 138BG strongly suggested? The 29 gets good reviews and they've been selling them for years.

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