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Project25_MASTR

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Please, please dont get started on IT idiots put in charge of radio communications.
You know, I put out a survey on several more pulbic safety comms related forums…it was very interesting seeing just how many were successfully operating as part of municipal IT departments (though all dedicated members within a dedicated department a part of a larger IT department). I was actually surpised I got answer back from outside of the US…the number one issue is that the overwhelming majority feels they are understaffed. Several in this thread even submitted to it…
 

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HB13 passed the House today by an overwhelming majority.


Here is a ChstGPT summary of the Texas Interoperable Emergency Communications Act:

Texas Interoperable Emergency Communications Act – Summary

Purpose
  • Improve interoperability among emergency communication systems in Texas.
  • Establish the Texas Interoperability Council (TIC).
  • Create a grant program for local governments to obtain interoperable emergency communication equipment.
Texas Interoperability Council (TIC)

  • Membership: 7 members (6 appointed by the governor, 1 from Texas Division of Emergency Management).
  • Duties:
    • Develop and implement a statewide strategic plan for interoperable communications.
    • Administer grants to local governments for equipment and infrastructure.
    • Coordinate training, infrastructure, and technology for emergency communications.
Strategic Plan Must Include
  • Statewide communication infrastructure for first responders.
  • Training programs for state and local agencies.
  • A plan for interoperable equipment and integration with existing systems.
  • Optional: Emergency alert systems, outdoor sirens, and broadband usage.

Grant Program
  • Eligibility: Local governments that submit proposals under council rules.
  • Uses:
    • Purchase of interoperable radios and infrastructure.
    • Upgrades and integration of current systems.
    • Training and maintenance.
Approval Required for Radio System Purchases
  • Before Jan 1, 2027: Governor must approve purchases that may impact interoperability.
  • After Jan 1, 2027: TIC assumes that approval role.
  • Standards: Minimum technical specifications and region-wide interoperability compliance.
  • Denials: Must include reasons and corrective guidance. Appeals process required.
Timeline
  • Jan 1, 2026: Governor begins review of local radio system purchases.
  • Jan 1, 2027: TIC takes over approval responsibilities.
  • By Dec 1, 2026: Governor and TIC must complete transfer of authority via MOU.
  • Staggered terms for council members through 2031.

Other Provisions

  • TIC may:
    • Meet in closed session for sensitive security and grant matters.
    • Accept donations and grants.
    • Collaborate with agencies and private entities.
 

nd5y

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Why do we need that when we already have this for the past 20 years?

Because there has never been the statutory authority for the TXICC to say "You_are_not going to add yet another system ID in Texas, Quit being part of the problem". Webb Co, Van Zandt Co, are the latest examples of entities that should have been told NO by the grown ups in the room.

The TICC is a good place for for collaboration and guidance, but has no executive authority to keep an agency from being obstructive isolationists. The carrot usually works, but it's time for the state to bring out the stick.
 

WB5UOM

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Yup, it will be another Circus
Good intentions, but by folk who have not a clue, only hear what someone with their agenda tells them.
Not much different than back in what 2005, when any radio was purchased with grant funds it had to be P25 Capable
 

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I'm not in the industry or LEO/First responder but it seems to me that ALOT of the current "Interoperability problem's" could be addressed/solved with some training with surrounding agencies say monthly, have a day where they pick a TG and have a multi-agency "chat" so to speak. But that brings in the "My System" mentality and here we are. Again.
 

nd5y

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I'm not in the industry or LEO/First responder but it seems to me that ALOT of the current "Interoperability problem's" could be addressed/solved with some training with surrounding agencies say monthly, have a day where they pick a TG and have a multi-agency "chat" so to speak. But that brings in the "My System" mentality and here we are. Again.
They did something similar here. A few times a month at apparently random times the PD would move everybody off of the P25 system to 8CALL90 or one of the 8TAC repeaters and do a roll call. I haven't heard that in a long time.

Also the regional county EOCs had a monthly roll call on Nortex Regional Repeater System - The RadioReference Wiki but I haven't heard that in a long time either and don't even know if it's stil on the air. They already let one license expire.
 

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As a self admitted "radio geek" and long time public safety provider I will tell you that most people in public safety are not "radio geeks." Some are, the majority are not. Most are only interested in "Push to talk, release to listen." They'll know which channel they spend most of the radio time on and a few others as well. Once you get into switching zones, eyes start to glaze over.

Our ambulances had scanners installed and the majority of my co workers never turned them on. For that matter the radio shop programmed them, but didn't do a complete job at it. I spent some time here and there reprogramming scanners. That included for supervisors and a couple of command staff.

The radio is supposed to be a tool to help them do their jobs, not their job itself.

Boston Fire Department fire alarm operators will give out channel assignments when BFD apparatus is going out of the city on mutual aid. They will tell the unit to go to "Zone B, Channel 9" and that's where they go. They don't say "Go to Quincy Fire Channel 2" because without looking at the chart of zones and channels, the officer will spend time trying to figure out which channel to go to.

That's not because they are dumb, it's because they aren't all that interested in how the radio does what it does.

It's likely going to fall on dispatch to do a lot of what you would think the field operators would do.

1. Having the best Radio System in the world is useless unless you train all users on HOW WHEN AND WHY to use the system.
2. Having all Radio Shops involved programming options and all possible radio channels programmed in all radios.
3. Repeat number 1 TRAIN ALL USERS on the HOW WHEN AND WHY use of the RADIO SYSTEMS.
4. This should be well covered in all Agency SOG's or SOP's.
 

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Don't make the mistake of thinking this problem is unique to Texas. While some smaller states (okay that's all of them) have statewide systems which they offer to local agencies, not all agencies opt in. Massachusetts has really good interoperability for the eastern part of the state, but it's a bit less so in other areas.

Given the size, geographic diversity, and varying population density, Texas is likely to be much more difficult. At the least it would be nice to have a number of TGs and channels set up for state wide use.

Almost $24B surplus in Texas' coffers, but we can't afford a proper statewide emergency communications network designed with interoperability in mind.

It's more convenient for lawmakers to just be puñetas than to actually solve a problem. There's absolutely no reason at all for Texas to have these problems. Heck, we've got rural FDs still on low-band.

Kind of a joke for us to be claiming how great Texas is for the tech sector. Buy some of that tech, and keep Texans safer!
 

Robert721

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I spent over 25 years in comms and a lack of training on how to use, how it works and what is available on the radios issued is almost non existent. We had direct access to numerous agencies in the mobile and hand held radios issued and end usurers had no idea what was available.
 
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