I happen to be in the area and heard a general broadcast on fire dispatch for all units to "we're going live, switch over to the Motorola radios." Does anyone know if Hartford just changed from EDAC?
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there's lots of testing going on last few days with 65xxx id's so I couldnt tell it was Hartford or not. But I heard last night that after 1pm switch over to Motorola today. Hopefully I will get something. I have CSP on search
Hartford in on CLMRN now. Unfortunately, sounds like the 154.3100 is off. Time will tell if it is permanent.
16410 is Fire Dispatch TG
radios are 64xxxx
16410 is Fire Dispatch TG
radios are 64xxxx
I don’t know why they would go to the state system, there were good on the system they were using currently
Radio IDs use the tax town as is (64xxxx). Talkgroups use Tax Town plus 10000 (164xx). If Windsor used CLMRN, they would be 264xx.
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Because EDACS is past End of Life and maintaining the equipment is getting close to impossible.
They signed the agreement with the state a few years ago. I think they were planning this for a while. Whether the 700MHz low power and the 800MHz P25 repeaters was intended to be part of the long term plan or not, I haven't heard.
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With all due respect, the City of Hartford EDACS system which went into service 32 years ago is antiquated and plagued with interference. It is a single site system w/o satellite receivers. The system went into service in 1989 before numerous cell sites raised the noise floor to a level which in many areas now desensitize subscribers to the point that the system control channel could not be heard. NIOSH documented that poor radio communications (on the EDACS system) was a contributing factor in the LODD of a Hartford Firefighter in October of 2014. There were opportunities to upgrade to a multi-site simulcast or at least provide voting receivers to enhance performance but somehow that never happened. The City has not required installation of in-building systems (BDA/DAS) to allow public safety radios to communicate from within.
I applaud the HFD for getting away from the poorly functioning EDACS system. The job is dangerous enough without having to worry about communications issues. This is coming from someone that actually used the system for 20+ years and knows first hand how bad the system really is.
In a 2001 Hartford Courant article, commenting about the EDACS system (which was 12 years old at that time).
...The city's 12-year-old radio system, which has been faltering for months with broken-down channels and other lapses, failed altogether for a few minutes, shutting down all communication between officers, firefighters and dispatchers...
...Another internal memo, sent in November by Sgt. Stephen Miele, warned that, even when the radios work, the signal is so poor that dispatchers and officers cannot understand each other. ``This issue must be immediately corrected before an officer is either hurt or killed,'' Miele wrote.
And now here we are, twenty years later on the same radio system. Until yesterday.
HFD used to maintain its own communications center and radio system many years ago. It relinquished that responsibility to a department which is now known as ES&T. Emergency Services and Communications. It's my understanding that ES&T is finally getting around to developing a plan to replace the EDACS system. Meanwhile, eBay has been one of the sources for spare parts because Harris stopped providing support for EDACS systems years ago.
...The city's 12-year-old radio system, which has been faltering for months with broken-down channels and other lapses, failed altogether for a few minutes, shutting down all communication between officers, firefighters and dispatchers...
...Another internal memo, sent in November by Sgt. Stephen Miele, warned that, even when the radios work, the signal is so poor that dispatchers and officers cannot understand each other. ``This issue must be immediately corrected before an officer is either hurt or killed,'' Miele wrote.
And now here we are, twenty years later on the same radio system. Until yesterday.
HFD used to maintain its own communications center and radio system many years ago. It relinquished that responsibility to a department which is now known as ES&T. Emergency Services and Communications. It's my understanding that ES&T is finally getting around to developing a plan to replace the EDACS system. Meanwhile, eBay has been one of the sources for spare parts because Harris stopped providing support for EDACS systems years ago.
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This x100. There is no excuse for any municipality to continue to operate a radio system that is no longer supported for so long. No excuse. Unfortunately this is such a common thread around this country where communications systems are badly neglected for years and years. It's often the first item to be cut from a department's budget sadly. Cities have so much wasteful spending that could go into something so important as this.
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So its on CLMRN and in the clear?
Hartford site I would assume? Any affiliate sites?
It is a mix of CLMRN & Conventional P25 right now. I don't know if the 700MHz stuff is in service as I can't hear those channels from home.
HFD Dispatch CLMRN (State system) TGID 16410
HFD Incident 1 851.6750 NAC 121 (reconfirmed 4/28)
HFD Incident 2 853.1375 NAC 122 (reconfirmed 4/27)
HFD Incident 3 853.7000 NAC 123
HFD Incident 4 854.5625 NAC 124 (reconfirmed 4/28)
HFD Incident 5 855.0125 NAC 125
Logged on Troop H (28), Troop L (31), & Hartford (41).
HFD Dispatch CLMRN (State system) TGID 16410
HFD Incident 1 851.6750 NAC 121 (reconfirmed 4/28)
HFD Incident 2 853.1375 NAC 122 (reconfirmed 4/27)
HFD Incident 3 853.7000 NAC 123
HFD Incident 4 854.5625 NAC 124 (reconfirmed 4/28)
HFD Incident 5 855.0125 NAC 125
Logged on Troop H (28), Troop L (31), & Hartford (41).
I added 16410 to the RRDB last night as well.
The people who make the fiscal decisions generally have no clue about how complex a communications system is to build and maintain. They can't understand why a portable public safety radio costs so much when they can buy a flat screen TV for $400.00.
They also get seduced by the frequently low ball bides that some vendors put in. I've seen that happen and when the system as specified is built but performance is inadequate "change orders" increase the cost.
Very often, the managers requesting new systems do a poor job of explaining why they need it and why they need something beyond the "bare minimum" system that the bean counters think is sufficient.
They also get seduced by the frequently low ball bides that some vendors put in. I've seen that happen and when the system as specified is built but performance is inadequate "change orders" increase the cost.
Very often, the managers requesting new systems do a poor job of explaining why they need it and why they need something beyond the "bare minimum" system that the bean counters think is sufficient.
Because support for EDACS ended in 2017. Hard to run a public safety radio network on technology where there is no longer any available hardware or technical support.
Hartford Fire Dispatch is on TG 16410 and in the clear.
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