can I combine or use a switch to go from one ant to another or will combining with a splitter cause loss, I have a yagi for 1 system and a allband ant for other freqs, should I switch back and forth or use just one ant with each system?
I agree, 100%.If he "scans" and wants to use both antennas at the same time without his involvement, then the diplexer arrangement might be a better solution!
JamesO said:You really do not want to use a combiner for multiple antennas; you need a "diplexer" device. Typically referred to as a duplexer or a triplexer depending on how many ports/bands are filtered. This will filter specific bands without much insertion loss.
Diplexer/triplexers
scanfan03 said:You can get a bnc splitter that will go right into your scanner. I can't remember the website but i will try to find it for you. They are very cheap like 20 bucks i think. I would emagine you would loose some gain though.
JamesO said:Joe M (Voyager), based on your response to my suggestion of using a diplexer type of device for a multi antenna configuration, it appears you may not have a very comprehensive background and understanding of RF energy. The specific area of concern when combining multiple antennas has to do with multipath or phase interference/cancellation.
The suggestion to use a multicoupler/splitter for the 2 drastically different antennas is most likely prone to unusual and unexpected degradation in performance, not to mention the insertion loss of the device. Multiple antennas can be combined, however, these are usually configured under specific conditions to create co-phased or multi-phase antenna arrays.
It is not clear what bands the original poster was interested in, however, I am assuming the Yagi “band” would be connected to the appropriate band pass input port, while the “all band” antenna would be connected to the other input port. I was also assuming a 2-port device with the appropriate frequency bands for this application exists. This configuration would not attenuate the Yagi performance other than the diplexers minimal insertion loss. The “all band” antenna would then cover the other portion of the band that the diplexer did not block out, again with minimal insertion loss.
There is some concern about using an “all band” antenna and a diplexer. A diplexer is really a filter that will limit the frequency band any antenna feeds into the common port of the diplexer, so this does not eliminate the use of an “all band” antenna. It really does not matter if a wideband or frequency specific antenna is used with a diplexer. Ideally, an antenna that is optimized for the specific band and application should be considered.
It is debatable if a true “all band antenna” actually exists. Most antennas exhibits some form of “wideband” performance, however, the efficiency and radiation pattern beyond the design limits might vary a great deal. Some antennas, like the Austin Ferret, are specifically designed to be optimized over different band segments, however, it performance will vary with frequency.
2. “Scanning”: usually an operator has the radio following a preset group of frequencies, that may cover many bands, and the radio is operating without direct user involvement. This usually requires a single coax feed with the signals that the operator is attempting to capture. Use of a diplexer would allow multiple antennas for specific bands to be combined without much signal loss or concern about multipath phase interference/cancellation.
JamesO
JamesO said:Now the tricky part, most antennas, even band specific perform well outside the intended operating band. The radiation patterns and efficiency degrades quickly.
windigofer said:I presently have three (homebrew) 1/4-wave whips for VHF-Hi (including railfan frequencies) that is potentially usable for airscanning; UHF (and this whip is potentially usable as a half-wave whip for 800), and 800MHz. Yes, these are tuned to the centre frequencies on these bands.
I also have a secondary, mag-mounted homebrew whip adjustable for VHF-Lo and 6m.
What I'd *like* to be able to do is set up an "array", so to speak, where these three tuned antennas can be fed into one receiver source, preferably with highpass/lowpass filters for the various bands. (The specific idea I've had is with inputs for VHF-Lo, VHF-Hi, and UHF (seeing as the UHF whip could be used for 800).
windigofer said:I presently have three (homebrew) 1/4-wave whips for VHF-Hi (including railfan frequencies) that is potentially usable for airscanning; UHF (and this whip is potentially usable as a half-wave whip for 800), and 800MHz. Yes, these are tuned to the centre frequencies on these bands.