commercial radios?

[PJH]

Ignore the messy desk at work

 

[N4DES]

Just a point of view from myself, who is a system admin. Over the last few weeks I have had a number of illegal affiliations, with that data I set them up for inhibit. So far I have 6 out of 12 that were sucessful and the last 6 still in the que. In total I probably have a good 50 to 75 over the last few years.

In short I must protect the system, and if I brick some rougue xts5K well then so be it as that person should know better.

 

[WA4MJF]

How do you tell if they're illegal or just some other agency passing through? Boy, I'm glad that I'm retired. This seems to overly complicate things. I don't see how the new interop system is any better than the old radios with a mutual aid that everyone had for the band they were working on.

 

[PJH]

Hey! Been waiting for Mark to add in! I was in your neck of the woods last week and was going to hit you up, but work kept me going until time to fly out...maybe next time.

WA4MJF- Trunked radios don't do a thing "passing thru". For them to work properly (or someone trying to get onto a system in which they are not authorized for) they need to be SPECIFICALLY programmed for that system. Its not like a cell phone just roaming around. It is an overt act trying to get onto a system.

 

[jerk]

Just a point of view from myself, who is a system admin. Over the last few weeks I have had a number of illegal affiliations, with that data I set them up for inhibit. So far I have 6 out of 12 that were sucessful and the last 6 still in the que. In total I probably have a good 50 to 75 over the last few years.

In short I must protect the system, and if I brick some rogue xts5K well then so be it as that person should know better.

I take it once you spot them, the software automatically issues a stun command next time. Cool.

I see ad's from Genesis software monitoring, and I'm sure moto has their monitoring version as well.

I use one or two commercial radios on ham band, because that way I need only carry one radio, modified ham radios are not legal going the other way. ham>commercial commercial>ham=great radio, bear to program.

 

[WA4MJF]

Oh, so it would be more complicated that just being told when you come down our Ctl freq is xxx.xxxxx and call on TG xxxx. I was thinking that it would be something like that to make it do the interop. Is there like a common simplex 800 MHz frequency that they could just work direct on? Kinda like we had on VHF and UHF. I know we have some 700 and 800 simplex freqs, but I don't know if they're affiliated or not. They're on the same radio.

I guess I thought that if the radio was on and pinging for a control channel and there was another system with the same control channel and it was heard
and not recognized it would be "killed".

 

[N4DES]

How do you tell if they're illegal or just some other agency passing through? Boy, I'm glad that I'm retired. This seems to overly complicate things. I don't see how the new interop system is any better than the old radios with a mutual aid that everyone had for the band they were working on.

The interop channels are conventional and there is no need for anyone "passing through" to access the trunking system. The standard NPSPAC Mutual Aid repeaters can be patched to the trunking system by a dispatcher if needed.

There is nothing complicated about it. If your on 800 MHz and the mutual aids are built out it is very easy to reach someone.

 

[N4DES]

I take it once you spot them, the software automatically issues a stun command next time. Cool.

Well the system doesn't do anything automatically, at least not the version that I use. I'm pretty selective and a rogue ID has to really catch my attention to be put in the inhibit list.

I see ad's from Genesis software monitoring, and I'm sure moto has their monitoring version as well.

I use the Genesis product exclusively and its configured as a Raid5 server and I can go back about 6 months at a time to look for talk-group loading or ID queries.

I use one or two commercial radios on ham band, because that way I need only carry one radio, modified ham radios are not legal going the other way. ham>commercial commercial>ham=great radio, bear to program.

Ditto...I use the XTS2500 with FPP for VHF and XTS1500 for UHF.

 

[WA4MJF]

So the interop isn't everyone talking on the same system, but rather the ole "Patch me through to Danno" type thing only probably using switches rather than a plug board. So,in my first example, for instance, the BATF SA would call on either the VHF or UHF Common LE freq to dispatch and tell
them he needs to talk with Officer J Doe of the xyz PD and the dispatcher patches that frequency over to the trunking system to a talk group and then has Officer Doe come up on that talk group?

 

[N4DES]

Hey! Been waiting for Mark to add in! I was in your neck of the woods last week and was going to hit you up, but work kept me going until time to fly out...maybe next time.

Yeah I was waiting to see where this thread was going before I put my 2 cents worth in.
I understand about work so hit me up next time your around.

Mark

 

[N4DES]

So the interop isn't everyone talking on the same system, but rather the ole "Patch me through to Danno" type thing only probably using switches rather than a plug board. So,in my first example, for instance, the BATF SA would call on either the VHF or UHF Common LE freq to dispatch and tell
them he needs to talk with Officer J Doe of the xyz PD and the dispatcher patches that frequency over to the trunking system to a talk group and then has Officer Doe come up on that talk group?

It depends. If it's a local user then they might all just have a local common that they need to switch to. In my case I have almost 70 individual agencies, including adjacent County's) that have access to 16 seperate talk-groups to intercommunicate, which they do quite well on a daily basis.

For the user who doesn't have trunking access they would call on MA CALL for assistance. The dispatcher would take the information and do what was required. It might or might not be a patch to the trunking system. There are many different scenarios and there is no "one size fits all" situation such as what you described above.

Also most dispatch consoles are now software GUI applications on a PC. Button/LED versions are pretty much outdated for medium to large PSAP's.

 

[crayon]

.. and its configured as a Raid5 server ...

Nothing fancy about a Raid 5 config enough to mention it in a post. *yawn*

Now if you said you have hot swaps ...

 

[N4DES]

Nothing fancy about a Raid 5 config enough to mention it in a post. *yawn*

Now if you said you have hot swaps ...

OK...it is a Raid 5 with hot swapable drives and redundent power suppies on seperate UPS feeds. How about that?

 

[N_Jay]

OK...it is a Raid 5 with hot swapable drives and redundent power suppies on seperate UPS feeds. How about that?

Genesis is good software and a great bunch of people to work with.

Sounds like you have a proper setup for a public safety operation. Not the crap I see some agencies try to cheap out with. (There are WAY too many "Amateur Experts" out there.)

 

[crayon]

How about that?

:roll:

eh, I suppose it is like with most things in life, some stuff just is not that exciting when you mess with it day in and day out. Given that consumer motherboards nowadays supporting various configurations of SATA RAID as a standard feature, the only thing that seperates the wannabe's from the pro's is hot swap SCSI's and that is just because of it coming down to money.

IMO, you would be hard pressed to need to spec a SCSI drive over some SATA's that spin 10k or more.

Mostly, I was just yanking your chain bro.

 

[N_Jay]

:roll:

eh, I suppose it is like with most things in life, some stuff just is not that exciting when you mess with it day in and day out. Given that consumer motherboards nowadays supporting various configurations of SATA RAID as a standard feature, the only thing that seperates the wannabe's from the pro's is hot swap SCSI's and that is just because of it coming down to money.

IMO, you would be hard pressed to need to spec a SCSI drive over some SATA's that spin 10k or more.

Mostly, I was just yanking your chain bro.

Not to get too far off topic, but most consumer RAIDs are 0,1, 0/1, and are implemented in software.

I would not recommend a system other then RAID 5 implemented in the controller. If 7/24 operation is required, then so is hot swapping (SCSI, serial attached SCSI or SATA)

 

[poltergeisty]

Actually, I was thinking it was because you probably need to cut your hair and stop wearing baggy black clown shorts around with all those chains on em out in public with anmie tee-shirts.

Uhh.....nooo. I'm older than that. :lol:

When I get a hair cut it's a #3 high and tight, thank you very much.

The situation I was in is a longer story. :lol: Just want to say that the police can and will question someone about a /\/\oto on their belt. Imagine if they ran you and the officer heard their own voice from the radio on your belt? :lol: Not too swift.

 

[poltergeisty]

Oh yeah.. "hot swapping" is an understatement for anything running at 10k :lol:

..and RAID 0 between two ram drives is for pros.. :lol:

 

[crayon]

Not to get too far off topic,

Who cares. This was not a useful thread topic to begin with. Or rather, there wasn't information discussed here that hasn't already been hashed out that could have been found if people would have used the search button.

..but most consumer RAIDs are 0,1, 0/1, and are implemented in software.

Naw. That might have been the case when consumer RAID's were first coming out, or I suppose if you bought a really cheap motherboard they might would do it in software to save money. Most RAID controllers are all chip based and intergrated into the Southbridge or stand alone depending on the manufacturer. Right now, I am back into Gigabyte boards after a fling with MSI, and they have two chip-based RAID controllers:

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index.php?x=reviews&id=794&page=2

Lots of SATA support here, a full 10 SATA connectors. The yellow ones are controlled by the Intel chipset, the purple ones are controlled by the Gigabyte SATA controller. It isn't mentioned in the instructions, but I assume that the purple SATA connectors are for data drives only, and boot drives should be connected to the yellow ones.

The Southbridge chip on this motherboard can control up to 6 SATA devices and can speak RAID 0,1,5 and 10.

Then, of course, ya can always get a PCI RAID controller and hook 'em that way.

 

[crayon]

When I get a hair cut it's a #3 high and tight, thank you very much.

#3 and scissors on top for me too.

There is a Vietnamese girl down at a Supercuts that is just awesome. Sometimes when I have really needed a cut, and she was not in, I would let one of the other girls give me a cut and I can tell a difference, for the worse. How anyone can you mess up a #3 cut is beyond me, but she does such a good job that if she is not in, I will come back.