W4UVV
Member
I am in the process of programing all 95 and 35 independent cities in VA plus other services, Aviation, Federal, Military, etc. Because of the huge volume of data in part I am using a programing matrix that segregates appropriate non-trunked county files as a grouping of 10 maximum within each appropriate conventional system file. Each system level file has its unique quick key. Each group file has its unique quick key. When I assign "0-9" to each of the group level files and do a file transfer to the 996XT, the 996XT does not recognize the file as valid although I hear a beep signifying a good file transfer. Subsequent manual attempts at entering the system quick key are not recognized by the scanner although I hear a beep signifying a good select/deselect. Prior to the file transfer no system or group level quick key was deselected or conventional system or group level file locked out.
Only when I reprogramed at least ONE group level file to "None" does the 996XT recognize and scan the conventional file correctly to include correct selection/deselection of 9 of 10 group level quick keys. The file programed "None" obviously cannot be selected/deselected. It stays selected in a scan. I want to be able to select/deselect 10 of 10 not 9 of 10 group level quick keys.
I have used Butel Basic software for about 4 years without any problems.
I did the same tests on two of my relatively new 996XTs and obtained the same results.
I am hoping it is something I am doing wrong but if so I cannot identify it.
I posted the problem on the Yahoo 996XT users group. Below is a cut and paste of the postings.
(My email response to UPMan who attempted to help)
Your explanation is exactly what I expected to happen but it did not.
When I assigned individual group level quick keys to the 10 entities and
did a file transfer the 996XT did NOT recognize, i.e., select "Federal"
when ".46" is pressed. This is my second new 996XT and for testing I
have only "Federal" programed. When powered on "Nothing to
Scan"displayed. The 996XT defaults to the select mode at power on and
should have started scanning "Federal". It did not. Subsequently when
I pressed ".46" to select "Federal" I heard the confirmation beep but
the scanner would not select "Federal". Nothing happened. However when
I reprogramed all group level quick keys to "None" and did a file
transfer, the 996XT scanned "Federal" correctly. I was able to
select/deselect using ".46". At power on the 996XT corrected selected
"Federal" and the 10 group level entities scanned globally. That is not
what I want. I want to be able to select/deselect each of the 10 group
level entities using individual assigned group level quick keys. My
configuration file is fine and all of my group level entities contained
valid data. I cannot find anything I was doing wrong.
What I mean by the 996XT would not recognize the system quick key is
when powered on and the "Federal" file is transferred and I get a
confirmation beep of a good file transfer but only "Nothing to Scan"
displays. The 996XT default mode should begin scanning "Federal". It
does not. Subsequent manual attempts at selecting ".46" were ignored by
the scanner although I heard the confirmation beep of a good
select/deselect.
PLAN B: Did a master reset (memory initialization) on the 996XT to
determine if that made any difference. I reloaded my configuration
settings and did another file transfer with the same results.
PLAN C: Reprogramed one of the 10 group level quick keys to "None" and
did a file transfer. This time at power on "Federal" scanned and I was
able to select individual group level quick key entities "0-8" with "9"
being previously programed to "None" meaning I could not select or
deselect "9". It was "fixed"; the same condition as being "selected".
PLAN D: Did the same tests on my other 996XT with the same results.
Conclusion: With a conventional system only a maximum of 9 not 10 group
level entities can be selected using individual group level quick keys
AND ONE of the 10 group level entities MUST be programed to "NONE".
Can somebody explain to me why this is happening as that is not my
understanding as to how the 996XT should work? Both of my scanners are
operating fine. My test situation easily can be duplicated. Create a
conventional file with a unique system quick key and 10 valid group
level entries minimally with one valid entry per group. Assign each
group an individual key 0-9. Do a file transfer and see if the 996XT
will accept it as a valid system file that can be selected/deselected
and if each of the 10 individual group level files can be individually
be selected/deselected.
If I am doing anything wrong somebody please tell me what it is.
I will post this email situation/response on RR. Tnx for responding.
*
Uniden UPMan wrote:
> > There really isn't any big difference between trunked and conventional SQK / GQK
> > usage. You can use both with either in basically the same way.
> >
> >
> > In your example, pressing .46 while scanning would turn on/off your "Federal"
> > conventional system.
> > Pressing F+0, F+1, F+2, etc while scanning the Federal system would toggle
> > on/off ATF, CAMP PEARY/CIA, DEA, etc respectively.
> >
> >
> > I don't know what you mean by "...996XT will NOT recognize the SYSTEM Quick
> > Key...".
> >
> > Maybe you should post your setup somewhere for someone to look at and try to
> > duplicate what you are doing.
> > UPMan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: w4uvv<w4uvv@comcast.net>
> > To: BCD996XT@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 3:16:24 PM
> > Subject: [BCD996XT] Conventional System and Using Group Level Quick Keys
> >
> >
> > This question is limited to Group level quick keys not system level quick keys.
> > I have no problem with system level Quick Key usage.
> >
> > I was under the impression that a conventional system with a system level quick
> > key could use group level quick keys up to a maximum of 10 (0-9). Apparantly
> > that is an incorrect assumption. With that configuration the 996XT will not even
> > recognize the system level quick key. However, if I assign the 10 group level
> > file entities within that one conventional system to "None" vice "0-9". the
> > 996XT recognizes the system level quick key and globally scans all of group
> > level that I previously had assigned "0-9". I cannot find any source including
> > the manual that discusses this programing condition. I could find no warning in
> > the user's manual that you cannot use group level keys with a conventional
> > system.
> >
> > What is correct? If group level quick keys can be used with a conventional
> > system selected up to 10 what am I doing wrong? I don't why it couldn't work.
> >
> > The conventional system I programed was:
> >
> > System Level = Federal Quick Key = 46
> >
> > Group QK0 = ATF
> > Group QK1 = CAMP PEARY/CIA
> > Group QK2 = DEA
> > Group QK3 = FBI
> > Group QK4 = ICE
> > Group QK5 = MISC
> > Group QK6 = SS
> > Group QK7 = TSA
> > Group QK8 = US MARSHALS
> > Group QK9 = UNK
> >
> > Programed as above the 996XT will NOT recognize the SYSTEM Quick Key. When the
> > Group quick keys are reprogramed to "None" the 996XT recognizes the system quick
> > key and scans all of the grouping globally basically as one big file which is
> > not what I want to happen. I do not have enough system level quick keys to
> > program the many systems I want in the 996T. I was attempting to use group level
> > keys as a way of selecting sub-systems within a larger system.
> >
> > I know I can add a maximum of 20 group level entries per conventional system but
> > I thought I could use group level quick keys with 10 of them. It doesn't look
> > like it can be done this way but I may be doing something wrong. If so I don't
> > know what it is.
> >
> > Are the use of group level quick keys restricted to multiple sites within
> > trunked systems? Uniden needs to expand on the cans and cannot usages of group
> > level quick keys. The manual is no help.
> >
> >
> >
Only when I reprogramed at least ONE group level file to "None" does the 996XT recognize and scan the conventional file correctly to include correct selection/deselection of 9 of 10 group level quick keys. The file programed "None" obviously cannot be selected/deselected. It stays selected in a scan. I want to be able to select/deselect 10 of 10 not 9 of 10 group level quick keys.
I have used Butel Basic software for about 4 years without any problems.
I did the same tests on two of my relatively new 996XTs and obtained the same results.
I am hoping it is something I am doing wrong but if so I cannot identify it.
I posted the problem on the Yahoo 996XT users group. Below is a cut and paste of the postings.
(My email response to UPMan who attempted to help)
Your explanation is exactly what I expected to happen but it did not.
When I assigned individual group level quick keys to the 10 entities and
did a file transfer the 996XT did NOT recognize, i.e., select "Federal"
when ".46" is pressed. This is my second new 996XT and for testing I
have only "Federal" programed. When powered on "Nothing to
Scan"displayed. The 996XT defaults to the select mode at power on and
should have started scanning "Federal". It did not. Subsequently when
I pressed ".46" to select "Federal" I heard the confirmation beep but
the scanner would not select "Federal". Nothing happened. However when
I reprogramed all group level quick keys to "None" and did a file
transfer, the 996XT scanned "Federal" correctly. I was able to
select/deselect using ".46". At power on the 996XT corrected selected
"Federal" and the 10 group level entities scanned globally. That is not
what I want. I want to be able to select/deselect each of the 10 group
level entities using individual assigned group level quick keys. My
configuration file is fine and all of my group level entities contained
valid data. I cannot find anything I was doing wrong.
What I mean by the 996XT would not recognize the system quick key is
when powered on and the "Federal" file is transferred and I get a
confirmation beep of a good file transfer but only "Nothing to Scan"
displays. The 996XT default mode should begin scanning "Federal". It
does not. Subsequent manual attempts at selecting ".46" were ignored by
the scanner although I heard the confirmation beep of a good
select/deselect.
PLAN B: Did a master reset (memory initialization) on the 996XT to
determine if that made any difference. I reloaded my configuration
settings and did another file transfer with the same results.
PLAN C: Reprogramed one of the 10 group level quick keys to "None" and
did a file transfer. This time at power on "Federal" scanned and I was
able to select individual group level quick key entities "0-8" with "9"
being previously programed to "None" meaning I could not select or
deselect "9". It was "fixed"; the same condition as being "selected".
PLAN D: Did the same tests on my other 996XT with the same results.
Conclusion: With a conventional system only a maximum of 9 not 10 group
level entities can be selected using individual group level quick keys
AND ONE of the 10 group level entities MUST be programed to "NONE".
Can somebody explain to me why this is happening as that is not my
understanding as to how the 996XT should work? Both of my scanners are
operating fine. My test situation easily can be duplicated. Create a
conventional file with a unique system quick key and 10 valid group
level entries minimally with one valid entry per group. Assign each
group an individual key 0-9. Do a file transfer and see if the 996XT
will accept it as a valid system file that can be selected/deselected
and if each of the 10 individual group level files can be individually
be selected/deselected.
If I am doing anything wrong somebody please tell me what it is.
I will post this email situation/response on RR. Tnx for responding.
*
Uniden UPMan wrote:
> > There really isn't any big difference between trunked and conventional SQK / GQK
> > usage. You can use both with either in basically the same way.
> >
> >
> > In your example, pressing .46 while scanning would turn on/off your "Federal"
> > conventional system.
> > Pressing F+0, F+1, F+2, etc while scanning the Federal system would toggle
> > on/off ATF, CAMP PEARY/CIA, DEA, etc respectively.
> >
> >
> > I don't know what you mean by "...996XT will NOT recognize the SYSTEM Quick
> > Key...".
> >
> > Maybe you should post your setup somewhere for someone to look at and try to
> > duplicate what you are doing.
> > UPMan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: w4uvv<w4uvv@comcast.net>
> > To: BCD996XT@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 3:16:24 PM
> > Subject: [BCD996XT] Conventional System and Using Group Level Quick Keys
> >
> >
> > This question is limited to Group level quick keys not system level quick keys.
> > I have no problem with system level Quick Key usage.
> >
> > I was under the impression that a conventional system with a system level quick
> > key could use group level quick keys up to a maximum of 10 (0-9). Apparantly
> > that is an incorrect assumption. With that configuration the 996XT will not even
> > recognize the system level quick key. However, if I assign the 10 group level
> > file entities within that one conventional system to "None" vice "0-9". the
> > 996XT recognizes the system level quick key and globally scans all of group
> > level that I previously had assigned "0-9". I cannot find any source including
> > the manual that discusses this programing condition. I could find no warning in
> > the user's manual that you cannot use group level keys with a conventional
> > system.
> >
> > What is correct? If group level quick keys can be used with a conventional
> > system selected up to 10 what am I doing wrong? I don't why it couldn't work.
> >
> > The conventional system I programed was:
> >
> > System Level = Federal Quick Key = 46
> >
> > Group QK0 = ATF
> > Group QK1 = CAMP PEARY/CIA
> > Group QK2 = DEA
> > Group QK3 = FBI
> > Group QK4 = ICE
> > Group QK5 = MISC
> > Group QK6 = SS
> > Group QK7 = TSA
> > Group QK8 = US MARSHALS
> > Group QK9 = UNK
> >
> > Programed as above the 996XT will NOT recognize the SYSTEM Quick Key. When the
> > Group quick keys are reprogramed to "None" the 996XT recognizes the system quick
> > key and scans all of the grouping globally basically as one big file which is
> > not what I want to happen. I do not have enough system level quick keys to
> > program the many systems I want in the 996T. I was attempting to use group level
> > keys as a way of selecting sub-systems within a larger system.
> >
> > I know I can add a maximum of 20 group level entries per conventional system but
> > I thought I could use group level quick keys with 10 of them. It doesn't look
> > like it can be done this way but I may be doing something wrong. If so I don't
> > know what it is.
> >
> > Are the use of group level quick keys restricted to multiple sites within
> > trunked systems? Uniden needs to expand on the cans and cannot usages of group
> > level quick keys. The manual is no help.
> >
> >
> >
