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So I recently came back into the world of DSD+ Fastlane for the first time in probably 3 or 4 years. I started off getting my feet wet with decoding our P25 state system which was a breeze. I then saw that a DMR System was in my area for a casino. US>MO>Cooper>Isle of Capri Casino. DB is showing this is a Tier III System with all the talkgroups appearing to be listed. So I fire up FMP24 and all I am getting is BS (Base Station), Slot and Color Code. No NID, Site or LSN/LCN information. I'm hearing the voice just fine. I just can't follow it due to not being able to decode the system information. I have read several other threads stating you have to have the .FREQUENCIES file updated to voice follow, however how do I set that up when the information needed to accurately follow is unknown at this time?

Below I have posted logs of the data collected 464.400 which seems to be the busiest frequency on the system. Please keep in mind I have been decoding this for about a month with identical data each time I run FMP24. These are snippets of data from a short session just for this thread.

1R Log

2022.05.28 17:08:55 Initiating FMPx link using link ID 20001...
2022.05.28 17:08:55 FMPx link established; link ID = 20001
2022.05.28 17:08:55 FMPx link established
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Sync:+DMR
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Sync:+DMR
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VOICE
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC2
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC3
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC4
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC5
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC6
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Slot2: GC TG=60008 RID=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VOICE
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC2
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC3
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:04 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot2 BS VC4
2022.05.28 17:09:04 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC5
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC6
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Slot2: GC TG=60008 RID=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VOICE
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC2
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC3 e:27r
2022.05.28 17:09:05 CACH Sig ERR3
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR CACH ERR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR28
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC4
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC5
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS VC6
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Slot2: GC TG=60008 RID=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 TLC GC End Tgt=60008 Src=500172
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:05 CACH Sig ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:05 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Null SLCO
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Null SLCO
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Null SLCO
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR2
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Null SLCO
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR2
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Null SLCO
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Null SLCO
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Voice Hdr GC TG=60008 RID=500153
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA ERR1 DCC=2 Voice Hdr GC TG=60008 RID=500153
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 Voice Hdr GC TG=60008 RID=500153
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle ERR1
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot2 BS VOICE
2022.05.28 17:09:06 +DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 Idle
2022.05.28 17:09:06 Activity update: Slot1=No Activity Slot2=Group Voice


If you have made it this far and want the audio file that was logged for this session I can provide that as well too.

Justi curious what I am missing.
 
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you could try adding something like this to your DSDPlus.frequencies
Code: 
; Isle of Capri Casino - Boonville
TIII, 0777, 2,  1, 464.4000, 0.0, 0
TIII, 0777, 2,  2, 464.2250, 0.0, 0
TIII, 0777, 2,  3, 464.1500, 0.0, 0
TIII, 0777, 2,  4, 463.9500, 0.0, 0
TIII, 0777, 2,  5, 463.6000, 0.0, 0

;

and making a FMP24.ScanList containing
Code: 
464.4000 DELAY=4
464.2250 DELAY=4
464.1500 DELAY=4
463.9500 DELAY=4
463.6000 DELAY=4

start up FMP24.exe and 1r.bat click the fmp24 spectrum window on it's top border then click s on your keyboard to start scanning you FMP24.ScanList
once it loads the freq list and hits an active freq, it will stop scanning and start rotating thru the save DSDPlus.frequencies frequencies you added.

It is how I have so far figured out how to listen and follow the casino south of me on the other side of the mountain
www.radioreference.com

FCC Callsign WQYR629 (Cowlitz Tribal Gaming Authority dba Ilani)

FCC Callsign WQYR629 (Cowlitz Tribal Gaming Authority dba Ilani)
www.radioreference.com

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PDXh0b0 said:
It is how I have so far figured out how to listen and follow the casino south of me on the other side of the mountain
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What?? No...

You add the entries to the .frequencies file and then you either manually tune to the current rest channel or you use the Startup Options menu to specify auto loading and tuning of that system or you add that system to the .siteLoader file and use the Network/Site Loader Window to initiate monitoring of that system.

I use the last option to monitor every supported trunking system/site around here. It's easy peasy. Works for analog and digital conventional channels as well.
 
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slicerwizard said:
What?? No...

You add the entries to the .frequencies file and then you either manually tune to the current rest channel or you use the Startup Options menu to specify auto loading and tuning of that system or you add that system to the .siteLoader file and use the Network/Site Loader Window to initiate monitoring of that system.

I use the last option to monitor every supported trunking system/site around here. It's easy peasy. Works for analog and digital conventional channels as well.
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So basically yes, minus the scanlist :confused:

reading your reply I heard Summer Nights, the T-Birds and Pink Ladies singing "Tell me more, Tell me more"

It's not that I/we haven't read the DSDPlus text file and ran the individual .exe -h trying to figure things out, plenty of forum & google searches.
With your knowledge & experience it's a no brainer , me/others not so much.

Setting things up like you stated (hopefully) DSD window, Control , Open Network/Sites Loader window "basically more clicks to do what the scanlist does to find an active rest channel to get the DSDPlus.frequencies entry rolling" But I want to do it the proper way...

So for example,
so I started a fresh dsdplus folder with no edits

The system
DSDPlus window shows
DMR BS DCC:1

once there is some activity
Cap+ Site:1 DCC:1

monitoring each frequency individually
451.400000 is first Cap+ repeater (ch1 and Ch2)
452.625000 is second Cap+ repeater (ch3 and Ch4)
461.550000 is third Cap+ repeater (ch5 and Ch6)
462.400000 is second Cap+ repeater (ch3 and Ch4)

this one
452.2000 (this one may be inside or just too far, to be honest the whole system is border line too far away)
I just get DMR BS DCC:11 with an occasional tg with CH7

Code: 
DSDPlus.frequencies



; Cowlitz Tribal
Cap+, 0777, 3,  1, 451.4000, 0.0, 0
Cap+, 0777, 3,  2, 452.6250, 0.0, 0
Cap+, 0777, 3,  3, 461.5500, 0.0, 0
Cap+, 0777, 3,  4, 462.4000, 0.0, 0
Cap+, 0777, 3,  5, 452.2000, 0.0, 0


DSDPlus.sites

Cap+, 0777, 3, "Cowlitz Tribal"

DSDPlus.siteLoader



;
Cap+, 0777, 3,  0, "Cowlitz Tribal"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  1, "FB2 1"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  2, "FB2 2"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  3, "FB2 3"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  4, "FB2 4"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  5, "FB2 5"
 
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edit on the DSDPlus.siteLoader

Code: 
;
Cap+, 0777, 3,  "Cowlitz Tribal"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  "FB2 1"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  "FB2 2"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  "FB2 3"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  "FB2 4"
Cap+, 0777, 3,  "FB2 5"
 
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No, you just copy the .sites file entry to the .siteLoader file.

If it's a multi-site network, you can add an optional header line with the network name. There are examples in the file for trunking, conventional digital and conventional analog:

Code: 
; examples:
;
; P25, BEE11.123, 0, "Mulberry PS"
; P25, BEE11.123, 1.1, "North"
; P25, BEE11.123, 2.2, "South"
;
; Con+, 1234, 0, "ACME"
; Con+, 1234, 1, "Site 1"
; Con+, 1234, 1, "Site 2"
;
; Conv, 1, 1, "119.150 AM ATIS"
; Conv, 1, 2, "163.830 P25 FBI"
; Conv, 1, 3, "443.900 D-Star"
; Conv, 1, 4, "442.200 Fusion"
; Conv, 1, 5, "462.500 DMR"
; Conv, 1, 6, "455.100 NXDN48"
;
; Conv, 1, 11, "162.550 WX1"
; Conv, 1, 12, "162.400 WX2"
; Conv, 1, 13, "162.475 WX3"
; Conv, 1, 14, "162.425 WX4"
; Conv, 1, 15, "162.450 WX5"
; Conv, 1, 16, "162.500 WX6"
; Conv, 1, 17, "162.525 WX7"
; Conv, 1, 18, "161.650 WX8"
; Conv, 1, 19, "161.775 Analog WX9"
;  Conv, 1, 20, "163.275 FM     WX10"
 
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slicerwizard said:
No, you just copy the .sites file entry to the .siteLoader file.

If it's a multi-site network, you can add an optional header line with the network name. There are examples in the file for trunking, conventional digital and conventional analog:

Code: 
; examples:
;
; P25, BEE11.123, 0, "Mulberry PS"
; P25, BEE11.123, 1.1, "North"
; P25, BEE11.123, 2.2, "South"
;
; Con+, 1234, 0, "ACME"
; Con+, 1234, 1, "Site 1"
; Con+, 1234, 1, "Site 2"
;
; Conv, 1, 1, "119.150 AM ATIS"
; Conv, 1, 2, "163.830 P25 FBI"
; Conv, 1, 3, "443.900 D-Star"
; Conv, 1, 4, "442.200 Fusion"
; Conv, 1, 5, "462.500 DMR"
; Conv, 1, 6, "455.100 NXDN48"
;
; Conv, 1, 11, "162.550 WX1"
; Conv, 1, 12, "162.400 WX2"
; Conv, 1, 13, "162.475 WX3"
; Conv, 1, 14, "162.425 WX4"
; Conv, 1, 15, "162.450 WX5"
; Conv, 1, 16, "162.500 WX6"
; Conv, 1, 17, "162.525 WX7"
; Conv, 1, 18, "161.650 WX8"
; Conv, 1, 19, "161.775 Analog WX9"
;  Conv, 1, 20, "163.275 FM     WX10"
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ok, thanks for your time
 
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You can't just arbitrarily create entries for the files. They need to match what the system is putting out.

Tier III should have a control channel. If you tune to each of the channels listed in the database, one of them should have a steady stream of data or perhaps a regular key up type data stream. It is important that you find this control channel. When you do, at the bottom, it should show something similar to:
TIII (brand) Site L13:1-1.1 DCC:?
If you see this, 13 would be the network ID, 1.1 would be the Site ID
You then would see the channel activity window populate with channel numbers. At that point you can start creating entries for the .NETWORKS, .SITES, .FREQUENCIES, and SITELOADER files
 
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Only Post 1 was from the OP, the others were from someone else making the suggestion of populating the files (I think).

To OP, the control channel may have no voice in the second slot and may seem like it is not doing much at all. But it provides you with the information needed to program up the files.
 
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cg said:
Only Post 1 was from the OP, the others were from someone else making the suggestion of populating the files (I think).

To OP, the control channel may have no voice in the second slot and may seem like it is not doing much at all. But it provides you with the information needed to program up the files.
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Would there be a way to tell the FMP to look for and monitor Data only on a particular time slot instead of defaulting to finding the voice?
 
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Also, I keep seeing folks saying there should be a control channel constantly transmitting. I have listened to every frequency on this this license and there is not a constant control channel.
 
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Kazzaw said:
This just looks to be a standalone DMR frequency
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I am starting to lean that way. I just can't wrap my head around why they would need 5 repeaters and not link them into some sort of trunking system. Strange but I guess it could be possible. Also as in my most recent reply the same talkgroups are on the same freq, same timeslot every single time.
 
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They might not be linked if you aren't seeing the traffic flow across sites. They could well be all individual sites registered under the one company (for example, radio company XYZ may provide services to 5 different businesses, however they are all individual businesses. Radio company XYZ will take care of all the licensing etc on behalf of the 5 businesses)
 
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Kazzaw said:
They might not be linked if you aren't seeing the traffic flow across sites. They could well be all individual sites registered under the one company (for example, radio company XYZ may provide services to 5 different businesses, however they are all individual businesses. Radio company XYZ will take care of all the licensing etc on behalf of the 5 businesses)
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Yeah I'm thinking you might be right. Not sure why they would utilize 5 repeaters for a casino operation and not link them via a flavor of DMR Trunking. It just doesn't make sense. That's a lot of investment into hardware not being used to its full potential. They used to be on a LTR system using Waris series radios. In 2017 when those were at EOL, they used the same vendor to get the current XPR family of radios installed. If trunking worked before why wouldn't they do it again?

I've also monitored the inputs just as much as the outputs and still no trunk data on those either.

I'm going to chalk this up as a Group of 5 Convential DMR Repeaters. I will get TS and CC information and submit an update to the database unless anyone else can think of anything that would prove otherwise.
 
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Could be IP linked. Check to see if talkgroups contained to a specific repeater or across all of them. If the same talkgroups are heard on all repeaters, more than likely IP linked.
 
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Could be IP linked. Check to see if talkgroups contained to a specific repeater or across all of them. If the same talkgroups are heard on all repeaters, more than likely IP linked.
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Nope. Same TG's on same TS, same CC, same Freq all the time. x5
 
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