Ok cool. Thanks. I forgoot about how it shows neighbors. Very handy.
Only a couple channels (freqs) left to find. Two for site 7 and ch 524 (I forget which site, butit'll be a 460 mhz freq).
Mike
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Ok cool. Thanks. I forgoot about how it shows neighbors. Very handy.
Only a couple channels (freqs) left to find. Two for site 7 and ch 524 (I forget which site, butit'll be a 460 mhz freq).
Mike
All,
Getting pretty close to crunch time for Sites 3 and 6 on this system. If no one can narrow their locations down to the county level by the end of this week, they'll be removed to the Wiki until site county can be confirmed.
Getting pretty close to crunch time for Sites 3 and 6 on this system. If no one can narrow their locations down to the county level by the end of this week, they'll be removed to the Wiki until site county can be confirmed.
Oh well. I've done what I could. Heck, you and I both know somebody we communicate with on a semi-regular basis, who also lives up in Summit Co and could most likely help give a clue to one or both of those sites if he'd only just turn on his scanner and flip the dial around.
This system really has only a couple of users [companies] on it. I have a feeling that the only reason it exists at all is to help the operator meet their requirements for 454 buildout. Ditto with just about every other company that has trunked systems set up on 454 mhz freqs with very little usage across the whole system. They don't want to lose that precious spectrum.
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Not sure why you have so much anger. I do not get these sites from my location. They are both not in northern Summit county. One could likely be the mantua location. But I have not made my way up there to check yet.
Anger? Not angry. Maybe frustrated. And that absolutely isn't directed towards you. I was commenting about someone else completely, that Tom and I communicate with.
You've been much help, and you've actually brought some life back into the search for the location of sites. I/we appreciate that. If you hadn't come along, we'd probably be seeing five or six unknown sites moved to the wiki rather than 2 heh.
BTW, I am not absolutely positive on the ones down in my area, and won't be until I actually visit the sites, but the guesstimates are close enough to label them with a county and location for now.
Tom's big concern is the fact that I have added sites into the DB with counties listed as UNKNOWN. That poses a problem every time I update something in the database, because it ends up causing people to see the green update color in counties where there aren't even any sites. I'm pretty sure that's the issue at hand. And I get it. I just hate to see them moved from the wiki if we can avoid it.
So if anybody is able to at least identify what they feel is the county that the site is located in, that'd be good enough to keep the sites listed and prevent them being moved to the wiki.
Mike
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Okay cool. Wasn't aware that counties as UNKNOWN mess with the database, but that makes sense.
FWIW I can receive site 3 in north summit county. Site 3 lists sites 1, 2 and 10 as neighbors. Site 3 being in Portage county seems plausible as all the listed neighbors are adjacent counties, and the fact that I can receive that site, although not as strong as the Cuyahoga and Summit sites.
Also, site 6 lists sites 1 and 7 as neighbors. Plausible that site 6 could be Wayne county, as I can also receive site 6 although weak.
FWIW I can receive site 3 in north summit county. Site 3 lists sites 1, 2 and 10 as neighbors. Site 3 being in Portage county seems plausible as all the listed neighbors are adjacent counties, and the fact that I can receive that site, although not as strong as the Cuyahoga and Summit sites.
Also, site 6 lists sites 1 and 7 as neighbors. Plausible that site 6 could be Wayne county, as I can also receive site 6 although weak.
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Sounds great to me. See there, you just saved those two sites from banishment to the wiki hah.
Just keep in mind, that any of those sites in the south are up in the air - I'm only positive of Carrollton, and I'm only fairly certain of Canton because I happened to find 462.000, which is only listed on one Domer license -- in Canton. And I'm confident that the others are in the general areas they say they are in. But I'm going to have to make a road trip to pin them down. I was monitoring them all at an unreliable time [during some really enhanced tropo] which easily could have been throwing off my beam headings. For instance, the Cadiz site was coming in nearly as strong off the back of my yagi as it did off the front. Under normal circumstances that shouldn't happen.
Anyway, I guess we'll go on from here.
tripleplay905 -- I'd refer you to Futronics Connect Plus (Ohio) Trunking System, Various, Ohio - Scanner Frequencies and would ask that you see if you can pick up any of these Futronics Con+ sites and see if we are able to narrow any down. And then, if you have anything to add about the Futronics system, contribute in the following thread:
http://forums.radioreference.com/ohio-radio-discussion-forum/275964-funtronics-trbo.html
Thanks!
Mike
Actually that's only the smaller part of it. The big issue is that by being listed as a statewide system with unknown site locations, those frequencies get loaded into the database of every scanner with an onboard database, and people in Cincinnati could end up scanning frequencies they don't want to hear (which belong to a company completely different than that listed).
I happened to me; I noticed my HP1 scanning Domer Communications when I was scanning a whole bunch of stuff while doing a search, said some impolite words, and started digging. Then when inspecting the state page I noticed Domer Communications listed as a statewide system. The rest is history. . .
If anybody cares / wonders what was changed in the Domer DB today (3-26-2017), here is what was changed:
1. RAN specifically set on the sites. RAN field originally was not available. Once it became available it was set to * (any). I set the RAN to the proper RAN for each site, which just happens to be the same as the site number.
2. Site 8 has a new neighbor -- Site 11
I don't have any information about Site 11 -- meaning I have no idea where it is at or what frequency(s) are associated with it. I just know that out of the sites I can monitor, the only site showing Site 11 as a neighbor is Site 8.
3. I made a note in the wiki that this system now has at least 11 sites, and likely 12.
I say likely 12 because another hobbyist in East Ohio contacted me in the past couple of days and told me that he heard Domer techs talking about a new site they were working on, Site 12. And he said he felt he heard them call the site "Regal". Not sure where the site would be.
Mike
1. RAN specifically set on the sites. RAN field originally was not available. Once it became available it was set to * (any). I set the RAN to the proper RAN for each site, which just happens to be the same as the site number.
2. Site 8 has a new neighbor -- Site 11
I don't have any information about Site 11 -- meaning I have no idea where it is at or what frequency(s) are associated with it. I just know that out of the sites I can monitor, the only site showing Site 11 as a neighbor is Site 8.
3. I made a note in the wiki that this system now has at least 11 sites, and likely 12.
I say likely 12 because another hobbyist in East Ohio contacted me in the past couple of days and told me that he heard Domer techs talking about a new site they were working on, Site 12. And he said he felt he heard them call the site "Regal". Not sure where the site would be.
Mike
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454.600 logged as system 181 site 4
454.070 logged as system 181 site 7
454.600 logged as system 181 site 4
454.070 logged as system 181 site 7
John,
Thank you. Semi-helpful. Problem is I am quite confident those aren't he exact frequencies. Nearly every frequency on this system is on 6.25 khz spacing. To further add insult to injury, I can no longer add a site to the database unless we know / are confident in at least what county the site is in.
Site 4 had previously been identified as Cleveland so it is in the DB.
- 454.600 I guess could be 454.600, but I'm thinking is more likely 454.60625 or 454.59375
Site 7 - we don't know where it is. But yes it is useful to know it / have it in the wiki
- we know it has LCNs of 5 and 25 from your screenshot
Since you can copy site 4, you should watch the other DSD screen (that shows channels in use) and wait for it to show you the LCN of the CC you happen to be on. That would be useful if you could do that.
Mike
Site 7 has two known LCNs (per your screenshot and per the wiki). Frequencies for those LCNs are likely [but not positively]:
5: 454.06875
25: 454.51875
As for Site 4 being 454.600, we will only if that might be the case if we know the LCN. If you are able to sit on 454.600 and monitor that control channel, eventually on the other DSDPlus screen at least one LCN is going to show up listed. It might show up within about five seconds of sitting on 454.600. When you see that [with CC next to it], then you will know what the LCN for 454.600 is.
Once we have the LCN for 454.600, we can say if it's really 454.600 or 454.60625 or 454.59375
mike
Site 4 the control channel has been strong all day on 454.60625 but not one hit
Hits today on Site 4 CC moved to the other frequency and voice was on 454.60625
TG was 2007 which sounded like roadside or towing but the street referenced was in Barberton
TG was 2007 which sounded like roadside or towing but the street referenced was in Barberton
So you're saying that the Site 4 CC switched from 464.60625 to 454.28125, and that now you're getting voice on 464.60625. Is that right?
We still need the LCNs, which are displayed in the other DSDPlus graphical window. When you are sitting on the CC and there is traffic on that site, the other window is going to show the talkgroup / RID information along with the LCN associated with the frequency that the voice is occurring on.
That same graphical window will also display the LCN of the CC. For instance, the LCN of 454.28125 is 20 and you should see that displayed on the other screen with "CC or cc" next to it. When there is voice traffic on 464.60625, what LCN is being shown?
I can guess, and likely be right, but I'd really like to know what the system is reporting.
Mike
Yes you are correct the CC changes and I received voice on 454.60625 the LCN was 28
Sites 1, 4 and 6 list Site 7 as a neighbor:
Site 7
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LCN 5 454.06875
LCN 20 454.56875
Currently the "Richfield" site in the DB doesn't list Site 7 as a neighbor. But I'd sure like to know if it does now.
If any of you are able to copy the CC for 191-2 "Richfield", please gather and report the advertised site neighbors.
Thanks
Mike
Site 7
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LCN 5 454.06875
LCN 20 454.56875
Currently the "Richfield" site in the DB doesn't list Site 7 as a neighbor. But I'd sure like to know if it does now.
If any of you are able to copy the CC for 191-2 "Richfield", please gather and report the advertised site neighbors.
Thanks
Mike
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