Doublet troubles

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KB1VLA

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I've built a doublet for which I intended to use on 20-6 meters. It is roughly 38' long (16 gauge wire) and fed in the middle with 40' of 450 ohm ladder line connected directly to an MFJ 989C antenna tuner which is rated up to 3000 watts. The antenna is about 20' in the air between 2 trees. The tuner is grounded with about 7' of 6 gauge wire to a roughly 28" steel pipe driven into the ground. The transceiver is an Icom 7300. There is roughly a foot of RG-58 coax connecting the tuner to the radio. I chose the 38' length because as I understand it, a multiband doublet should either be slightly longer or slightly shorter than a resonant dipole on its lowest intended frequency (which would be 33' for 20 meters).
I cannot get this antenna to tune up on any band. Some bands (20, 12, 10 meters) do not have any dip in the SWR no matter what the inductance or capacitance is set to on the tuner. It's also completely deaf on receive on 10 meters. On other bands (17, 15, 6 meters), I'm able to get a good match when running low power (5-10w of RTTY), but the SWR increases to well over 5:1 when I raise the TX power to over 20w (which does not make sense; impedance should be impedance whether I'm transmitting 5w or 5,000w), or wildly swings from a good match (<1.5:1) to well over 5:1 when the only part of the radio I'm touching is the PTT switch on the microphone. More alarmingly, the tuner makes a burning smell and a light smoke emits from it when I run more than 20 watts into it.

Video of SWR wildly changing during transmission (20w of RTTY): MFJ 989C doublet troubles

This is the back of the antenna tuner; I've changed the ground wire to the aforementioned 6 gauge since this picture was taken but the rest of the setup is unchanged:

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I'm stumped. Everything I've read says this system should be relatively simple to get a match from 20-6 meters, but I cannot get it to work at all. Ideas?
 

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Antenna SWR should never change at different power levels unless the antenna or tuner or SWR meter is defective. Its highly unlikely your antenna is going through any changes at the power levels you have so that leaves the tuner/SWR meter made by MFJ. I've had several MFJ tuners with built in SWR meters and I think only one of them worked properly, the others either arced across one of the tuning capacitors or the band switch was intermittent or something else fell apart inside.

I would borrow or steal another tuner to test the above theory. You might also try temporarily connecting the balanced line right to the radio to see if 10m perks up on receive.

Your 28" steel pipe is not an effective ground rod and to be legal with the NEC you must bond that to your house main ground with no less than 6ga copper wire. As mentioned the ground rod is not your main problem, its just something that needs upgrading and grounding the tuner will probably have zero effect on the antenna performance.
 

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If you own an antenna analyzer or nano vna connect it to the transmitter antenna connector on the tuner and see what's going on. Sounds like another classic MFJ quality issue. I recently went through 3 tuners before I got one that I could make work.
 

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I removed the cover from the tuner and it appears that the inductor coil is shorting across to the metal bar, or rod, next to it. This tuner was previously used by a family member but has sat unused in a basement for a few years until I've tried to use it these past few weeks.
I'll read up on grounding because I did not realize my current system would not be effective.
 

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This picture should be in a RR Wiki for MFJ. This is a classic example of why friends don't let friends buy MFJ.

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I removed the cover from the tuner and it appears that the inductor coil is shorting across to the metal bar, or rod, next to it. This tuner was previously used by a family member but has sat unused in a basement for a few years until I've tried to use it these past few weeks.
I'll read up on grounding because I did not realize my current system would not be effective.
 

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Update:
The same basement that held the MFJ tuner also had a Ten-Tec 238 manual tuner. Lo and behold it tunes my antenna on all bands from 20-6 meters without smoking, haha. I've also now grounded the ATU to the main house ground with #6 wire.
Thanks-
 
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