DSDPlus DSD+ Fastlane CAP+ Rest Channel not displaying calls

[ryfoje]

Hey everyone, I thought I would reach out to this amazing community to get some help with my new personal project. I've been trying to map out a Mototrbo Capacity+ System without much success.

I have had success listening to the calls by manually tuning into the frequency when I see them getting active but I would like to be able to have DSD tune in automatically and follow calls.

The problem seems to be that I cannot seem to get much data from the REST channels as I only get data that seems like this.

Sync: no sync
Sync:+DMR
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
Cap+ Site=1 RestCh=3
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
Sync: no sync
Sync:+DMR
+DMR CACH ERR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK ERR5 ECC FAIL
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=3

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

 

[mtindor]

DSDPlus is not going to determine LCNs in a CAP+ system until voice calls are heard. Sit on a CAP+ channel until there are voice calls (group / private calls), and when one occurs ON the frequency you are parked on, there will be a message in the Event Window that will look something like this:

###.###### is second Cap+ repeater (Ch3 and Ch4)

Ch 1 and Ch 2 would be LCN 1
Ch 3 and Ch 4 would be LCN 2
Ch 5 and Ch 6 would be LCN 3
... and so on

If you are monitoring and all you are seeing are BS DATA, then you aren't monitoring any voice traffic and aren't going to reliably be able to determine LCNs. You need to determine when the site is most active, and then monitor during that time.

 

[ryfoje]

DSDPlus is not going to determine LCNs in a CAP+ system until voice calls are heard. Sit on a CAP+ channel until there are voice calls (group / private calls), and when one occurs ON the frequency you are parked on, there will be a message in the Event Window that will look something like this:

###.###### is second Cap+ repeater (Ch3 and Ch4)

Ch 1 and Ch 2 would be LCN 1
Ch 3 and Ch 4 would be LCN 2
Ch 5 and Ch 6 would be LCN 3
... and so on

If you are monitoring and all you are seeing are BS DATA, then you aren't monitoring any voice traffic and aren't going to reliably be able to determine LCNs. You need to determine when the site is most active, and then monitor during that time.

Thank you so much for that info, I was under the impression I would get LCN's from sitting on a REST Channel.

Currently when I sit on a voice channel, I get Channel numbers such as S1 and S2. I assume if I sit on it long enough I will get the actual LCN?

 

[sonm10]

It sounds like it's sitting at and idle without any traffic. If there were traffic on the system, you would see the rest channel to a different channel, maybe on the second slot of that frequency, or a different frequency altogether.

 

[sonm10]

If this is a business, you should see activity 9-5, Monday - Friday.

If this were a school, you would typically see activity around the start and end of the school day.

 

[ryfoje]

It sounds like it's sitting at and idle without any traffic. If there were traffic on the system, you would see the rest channel to a different channel, maybe on the second slot of that frequency, or a different frequency altogether.

I currently do hear conversations but for some reason when I look at DMR Channel activity it does not state which channel the conversation is happening on

 

[ryfoje]

When listening to a conversation I get logs like the following

+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
Null SLCO
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
Null SLCO
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=10 Voice Hdr TXI GC TG=200 RID=2002
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=10 Voice Hdr TXI GC TG=200 RID=2002
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
Activity update: Slot1=Group Voice Slot2=No Activity
+DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=10 Voice Hdr TXI GC TG=200 RID=2002
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
+DMR slot1 BS VOICE

+DMR slot1 BS VOICE
+DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=10 Idle
Activity update: Slot1=Group Voice Slot2=No Activity
+DMR slot1 BS VC2 e:3
+DMR CACH ERR slot2
+DMR CACH ERR slot1 BS VC3 e:6r7r7r
+DMR CACH ERR slot2
+DMR CACH ERR slot1 BS VC4 e:5m6r5r
+DMR CACH ERR slot2
+DMR CACH ERR slot1 BS VC5 e:7r6e6r
+DMR CACH ERR slot2
+DMR CACH ERR slot1 BS VC6 e:6r6r5m
Sync:+DMR
+DMR slot1 BS VOICE

 

[sonm10]

I currently do hear conversations but for some reason when I look at DMR Channel activity it does not state which channel the conversation is happening on

When listening to a conversation I get logs like the following

That is because you are looking at 2 different systems. The first you posted is Capacity+ with CC=2, the second you posted is a conventional DMR with CC=10. I suspect they are unrelated.

If you are looking for additional repeaters for the Capacity+, they most likely be Color Code=2.

 

[ryfoje]

That is because you are looking at 2 different systems. The first you posted is Capacity+ with CC=2, the second you posted is a conventional DMR with CC=10.

Oh my god, thank you so much I think this would've flown over my head for days...

 

[CanesFan95]

I currently do hear conversations but for some reason when I look at DMR Channel activity it does not state which channel the conversation is happening on

DSD+ uses logical slot numbers (LSNs) rather than logical channel numbers (LCNs). To get the LSNs, look at the Event Log instead of the Channel Activity:


DSD+ refers to the LSNs as a Channel. In this case, the 2 slots on 451.4250 are LSNs / Ch.'s 15 and 16.

 

[DaveNF2G]

When listening to a conversation I get logs like the following

It would be easier for you to figure out what's happening if you were watching the CC Event window instead of the console. That window is what CanesFan95 just posted above.

In that picture, the eighth repeater would be programmed into a scanner as LCN 8, but in DSDPlus it needs to be 15 and 16.

 

[dave3825]

I've been trying to map out a Mototrbo Capacity+ System without much success.

Is the system in the database or are you doing this just to be able to know how to do so?

 

[mtindor]

Thank you so much for that info, I was under the impression I would get LCN's from sitting on a REST Channel.

Currently when I sit on a voice channel, I get Channel numbers such as S1 and S2. I assume if I sit on it long enough I will get the actual LCN?

When you are listening to voice on a particular frequency, or private calls, S1/S2 indicate the timeslots on the current frequency.

As somebody posted further down, look in your Event Window

DSDPlus - DSD+ Fastlane CAP+ Rest Channel not displaying calls

Hey everyone, I thought I would reach out to this amazing community to get some help with my new personal project. I've been trying to map out a Mototrbo Capacity+ System without much success. I have had success listening to the calls by manually tuning into the frequency when I see them...

forums.radioreference.com

In the Event Window, as voice calls are occurring on the CAP+ frequency you are listening to, you will see those references to Cap+ repeater. That is only the case if you are monitoring CAP+. I see somebody also already pointed out that one of the frequencies you were listening to was a DMR conventional freq and not even part of a CAP+ system. If you are listening to conventional DMR, you are only ever going to see S1/S2 when voice occurs on the timeslots of that conventional DMR freq. There are no LCNs to deal with when it comes to DMR Conventional -- just color codes and talkgroups.

 

[ryfoje]

DSD+ uses logical slot numbers (LSNs) rather than logical channel numbers (LCNs). To get the LSNs, look at the Event Log instead of the Channel Activity:

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DSD+ refers to the LSNs as a Channel. In this case, the 2 slots on 451.4250 are LSNs / Ch.'s 15 and 16.

Thank you for that info, I have been confusing how Cap+ systems worked together and wasn't aware that they used LSNs rather than LCNs. I'll take a look at the event log instead

 

[ryfoje]

Is the system in the database or are you doing this just to be able to know how to do so?

It is in the database and I initially went off the info in the database. But I initially assumed it wasn't fully in the database since there seemed to be missing frequencies for the CAP+ system. But I was wrong since it seems to be another system that is very close to the frequency and is for the same establishment

 

[ryfoje]

When you are listening to voice on a particular frequency, or private calls, S1/S2 indicate the timeslots on the current frequency.

As somebody posted further down, look in your Event Window

DSDPlus - DSD+ Fastlane CAP+ Rest Channel not displaying calls

Hey everyone, I thought I would reach out to this amazing community to get some help with my new personal project. I've been trying to map out a Mototrbo Capacity+ System without much success. I have had success listening to the calls by manually tuning into the frequency when I see them...

forums.radioreference.com

In the Event Window, as voice calls are occurring on the CAP+ frequency you are listening to, you will see those references to Cap+ repeater. That is only the case if you are monitoring CAP+. I see somebody also already pointed out that one of the frequencies you were listening to was a DMR conventional freq and not even part of a CAP+ system. If you are listening to conventional DMR, you are only ever going to see S1/S2 when voice occurs on the timeslots of that conventional DMR freq. There are no LCNs to deal with when it comes to DMR Conventional -- just color codes and talkgroups.

I believe the DMR frequencies through me off quite a bit because they are from the same establishment and seem to share the same Talk Group numbering and also their Radio ID's are exactly the same.

Is it possible these systems are linked in some way or are they entirely separate systems using the same ID "naming" schema

 

[dave3825]

It is in the database and I initially went off the info in the database. But I initially assumed it wasn't fully in the database since there seemed to be missing frequencies for the CAP+ system. But I was wrong since it seems to be another system that is very close to the frequency and is for the same establishment

Always look at any licenses listed in the db as they would most likely have all freqs associated.